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Re: Things that don't make you "spiritual"         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: turtoni
Date: Jul 19, 2008 23:34

On Jul 20, 1:26 am, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> "bigflet...@gmail.com" gmail.com> wrote innews:309b8e8e-65ed-468c-9e01-50f5442400c0@z16g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
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>> On Jul 19, 3:17 am, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>> ta nc.rr.com> wrote
>>> innews:d5cde434-a248-4b66-8f08-c9503bd8379e@
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>>>> Again, through understanding what spirituality is not you can
>>>> understand spirituality. When you develop the self-awareness to
>>>> perceive your own actions as primarily ego-driven, and if you begin
>>>> to act from a state of mind that is different from that, then you
>>>> will be able to understand in retrospect what spirituality is.
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>>> As far as I can tell, all of my actions are motivated by a desire to
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>>> some result or other (except reflex actions). Why would I wish to
>>> invest time or energy performing actions lacking any purpose? Why
>>> would anyone wish to enter a state of mind which provokes pointless
>>> activity?
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>> Its all about balancing your 'beingness' (present, active and
>> creative, spiritual qualities) with your mental projections,being
>> desires and expectations, always in the future, and consequently are
>> referred to in this context, as 'illusions'.
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>> The practical experiencing, which is refered to as 'spiritual
>> consciousness at work", are initially experienced without
>> awareness.That feeling of 'timelesness' when you are concentrating,
>> not distracted by outcome. Even with athleticism, "being present" has
>> identifiable benefits. In distance running, if you put your attention
>> on an upcoming hill, your energy output increases befor you get there.
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>> The goal is to finish, for whatever pre determined reason (goal
>> orientation), and the 'way' that of executing, or "being".
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>> Many have the experience of expectation being greater than
>> realization. This is the 'sense' of the illusiory nature of the
>> outcome as opposed to the action itself. The reason for that comment
>> is that there is only the journey (ever present reality) and no
>> destination.A person becomes more stressful if the action is that of
>> sacrafice in order to achieve the outcome.More so with regard to
>> relationships, where the difference between expectation and
>> realization has significant impact on todays society.
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> Is that the aim of this discipline, then --- to relieve stress? Would it be
> of value to unstressed persons? May we conclude that anyone not stressed,
> or perhaps not "overly stressed," is a "spiritual" person?

No. Your "relaxation" is not the spirit.

The "spirit" is:

"Moral universalism (or universal morality) is the meta-ethical
position that some system of ethics, or a universal ethic, applies
universally, that is to all people regardless of culture, race, sex,
religion, nationality, sexuality, or other distinguishing feature. The
source or justification of this system may be thought to be, for
instance, human nature, shared vulnerability to suffering, the demands
of universal reason, what is common among existing moral codes, or the
common mandates of religion (although it can be said that the latter
is not in fact moral universalism because it may distinguish between
Gods and mortals). It is the opposing position to various forms of
moral relativism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism
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