On Sep 11, 2:53 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 9:08 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> "Immortalist" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Sep 10, 4:52 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> "chazwin" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Sep 10, 3:19 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Heard a fascinating lecture today , where there was some
>>>>>>> comparisons
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>> relating to the work of Freud, Mahler and Einstein, all happening
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same era.
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>>>>>>> The Mahler excerpts that were played could have been a score
>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 'script' of some Freud's findings. It was as though some of the
>>>>>>> dischord
>>>>>>> identified from the subconscious was being transcribed.
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>>>>>>> Nothing new to those who have already discovered the links from
>>>>>>> mental
>>>>>>> progress and music, but this was particularly dramatic.
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>>>>>>> BOfL
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>>>>>> You might as well say that the Beatles perfectly reflect the Vietnam
>>>>>> war, when we all know it was Wagner's "ride of the valkyrie".
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>>>>> All You Need Is Love......Imagine!
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>>>>> Music (or the dance of the atoms) , is epistemologically known to
>>>>> create
>>>>> an
>>>>> effect on behaviour.
>>>>> If it works for individuals, it will work on communities.
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>>>>> There is no coincidence that the "march of the manipulative
>>>>> metaphysicians"
>>>>> tries to ban certain styles of music, particularly the kind that
>>>>> activates
>>>>> the freedom gene (which, in case you didnt notice, is made up of
>>>>> vibrating
>>>>> atoms also).
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>>>>> One part of the "march" is to reduce music education from our schools.
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>>>> Music is a hearing map, similar to a road map is visually.
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>>> ...and man is just a coincidental conglomerations of atoms, broken down,
>>> valued at about $3 worth of minerals.
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>>> BOfL-
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>> Obviously not a very good comparison since you seem to be stuck on
>> some sort of camoaign against reductionism as Gordge is stuck on Kant.
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> Not at all. I am pointing out aspects of the creative energy that music
> actually is and how our progress is analogous to our"riding the wave".I do
> see where you are coming from.
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> What is the opposite of the term reductionism in this context?
> Increase-ionism ? I always make my points 'about' aspects and processes,
> where the observer is the authentic identity,not the observed, so I think
> seperationism may hit the mark.
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A good working model or hypothesis would seperate and put together,
and strive for ever better theories that do so over time.
The opposite of reductionism might be Constructionism or wholism or
synthesis or consilience or compositionism?
Below is a similar goal.
Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge is a 1998 book by biologist E. O.
Wilson. In this book, Wilson discusses methods that have been used to
unite the sciences and might in the future unite the sciences with the
humanities. Wilson prefers and uses the term consilience to describe
the synthesis of knowledge from different specialized fields of human
endeavor.
http://www.amazon.com/Consilience-Knowledge-Edward-O-Wilson/dp/0679450777
Consilience, or the unity of knowledge (literally a "jumping together"
of knowledge), has its roots in the ancient Greek concept of an
intrinsic orderliness that governs our cosmos, inherently
comprehensible by logical process, a vision at odds with mystical
views in many cultures that surrounded the Hellenes. The rational view
was recovered during the high Middle Ages, separated from theology
during the Renaissance and found its apogee in the Age of
Enlightenment. Then, with the rise of the modern sciences, the sense
of unity gradually was lost in the increasing fragmentation and
specialization of knowledge in the last two centuries. The converse of
consilience in this way is Reductionism.
Modern usage
The word consilience was apparently coined by William Whewell, in The
Philosophy of the Inductive Sciences, 1840. In this synthesis Whewell
explained that, "The Consilience of Inductions takes place when an
Induction, obtained from one class of facts, coincides with an
Induction obtained from another different class. Thus Consilience is a
test of the truth of the Theory in which it occurs." The Scientific
method has become almost universally accepted as the exclusive method
for testing the status of any scientific hypothesis or theory.
"Inductions" which arise out of applications of the scientific method
are, by definition, the only accepted indicators of consilience.
Modern views understand that each branch of knowledge studies a subset
of reality that depends on factors studied in other branches. Atomic
physics underlies the workings of chemistry, which studies emergent
properties that in turn are the basis of biology. Psychology can no
longer be separated from the study of properties emergent from the
interaction of neurons and synapses. Sociology, economics, and
anthropology are each, in turn, studies of properties emergent from
the interaction of countless individual humans. Their limits have
constrained history.
Edward O. Wilson
The word had remained shelved until the end of the 20th century, when
it was vividly revived in Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge, a 1998
book by the humanist biologist Edward Osborne Wilson, as an attempt to
bridge the culture gap between the sciences and the humanities that
was the subject of C. P. Snow's The Two Cultures and the Scientific
Revolution, 1959. Wilson's assertion was that the sciences,
humanities, and arts have a common goal: to give a purpose to
understanding the details, to lend to all inquirers "a conviction, far
deeper than a mere working proposition, that the world is orderly and
can be explained by a small number of natural laws." This is the
essence of consilience. And in this way consilience is very similar to
reductionism.
A parallel view lies in the term universology, which literally means
"the science of the universe." Universology was first advocated for
the study of the interconnecting principles and truths of all domains
of knowledge by Stephen Pearl Andrews, a 19th century utopian futurist
and anarchist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consilience
>> Perhaps a straw man for distracting? If you read the revolutionary
>> theory about why music is so special to us maybe you would see that I
>> was supporting your case and taking it further.
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> Its no longer a theory to me, so when I express my views it will always
> "sound " different.
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As far as we know everything we do is theoretical or probable, even if
variable.
> BOfL
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