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Author: Andy F.Andy F. Date: Apr 19, 2008 03:14
Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
this mean?
To talk of an 'illusion' implies that there's a real world 'out there' which
is different from the phenomenal world which we perceive through the senses.
However, we can't experience the real world. All we can experience is the
phenomena.We can't really know what the 'real world' is like, or even
whether it exists.
So what business does anyone have talking about 'illusions'?
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Author: James BathJames Bath Date: Apr 19, 2008 03:50
> Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
> this mean?
>
> To talk of an 'illusion' implies that there's a real world 'out there'
> which is different from the phenomenal world which we perceive through the
> senses.
>
> However, we can't experience the real world. All we can experience is the
> phenomena.We can't really know what the 'real world' is like, or even
> whether it exists.
>
> So what business does anyone have talking about 'illusions'?
>
You're right. An illusion is a real-world event. Interesting point.
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Date: Apr 19, 2008 07:05
> Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
> this mean?
> [...]
I used to despair that all I saw was an illusion, then I realized I could
live with my falibilities and accept it - but then I found out that it is
not all my illusion but someone elses and now I am really angry - could he
have not done better than this?
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Author: ArtArt Date: Apr 19, 2008 08:36
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:14:46 +0100, "Andy F." tesco.net>
wrote:
>Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
>this mean?
>
>To talk of an 'illusion' implies that there's a real world 'out there' which
>is different from the phenomenal world which we perceive through the senses.
Not necessarily.
>However, we can't experience the real world. All we can experience is the
>phenomena.We can't really know what the 'real world' is like, or even
>whether it exists.
>
>So what business does anyone have talking about 'illusions'?
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Apr 19, 2008 08:58
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:14:46 +0100, "Andy F." tesco.net> wrote:
>Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
>this mean?
>
>To talk of an 'illusion' implies that there's a real world 'out there' which
>is different from the phenomenal world which we perceive through the senses.
>
>However, we can't experience the real world. All we can experience is the
>phenomena.We can't really know what the 'real world' is like, or even
>whether it exists.
>
>So what business does anyone have talking about 'illusions'?
>
Some kinds of deceit work well.
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Apr 19, 2008 09:01
On Apr 19, 8:14 pm, "Andy F." tesco.net> wrote:> Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
> this mean?
>
> To talk of an 'illusion' implies that there's a real world 'out there' which
> is different from the phenomenal world which we perceive through the senses.
>
> However, we can't experience the real world. All we can experience is the
> phenomena.We can't really know what the 'real world' is like, or even
> whether it exists.
>
> So what business does anyone have talking about 'illusions'?
A good question Andy, considering 'illusions' is most preferred
topic :-)
Richard Bach had a good stab with his book of the same name.Eckhart
Tolle is the latest contributer to to explain this phenomena.
The whole premise is missed by your view that there is a real world
"out there".
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Apr 19, 2008 09:04
On Apr 19, 8:50 pm, "James Bath" bellsouth.net> wrote:>> Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
>> this mean?
>
>> To talk of an 'illusion' implies that there's a real world 'out there'
>> which is different from the phenomenal world which we perceive through the
>> senses.
>
>> However, we can't experience the real world. All we can experience is the
>> phenomena.We can't really know what the 'real world' is like, or even
>> whether it exists.
>
>> So what business does anyone have talking about 'illusions'?
>
> You're right. An illusion is a real-world event. Interesting point.
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Apr 19, 2008 09:10
On Apr 20, 12:05 am, "Pico" wrote:>> Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
>> this mean?
>> [...]
>
> I used to despair that all I saw was an illusion, then I realized I could
> live with my falibilities and accept it - but then I found out that it is
> not all my illusion but someone elses and now I am really angry - could he
> have not done better than this?
Illusions are not falibilities. The whole material and mental world is
temporal. Your viewpoint today is, by definition, different from the
one you had yesterday, adn from the time you started reading this
thread.
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Apr 19, 2008 09:11
On Apr 20, 1:36 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:14:46 +0100, "Andy F." tesco.net>
> wrote:
>>>Some people say that the world as we 'see' it is an illusion.But what does
>>this mean?
>
>>To talk of an 'illusion' implies that there's a real world 'out there' which
>>is different from the phenomenal world which we perceive through the senses.
>
> Not necessarily.
>
>>However, we can't experience the real world. All we can experience is the
>>phenomena.We can't really know what the 'real world' is like, or even
>>whether it exists.
>
>>So what business does anyone have talking about 'illusions'?
>
> We know to increasingly more accurate approximations what the "real
> world out there" (physical reality) is like via sciences such as ...
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Author: skysiskysi Date: Apr 19, 2008 13:18
I thought it was an illusion, but then I woke up :o)
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