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Date: Nov 3, 2007 10:50
"Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most effectively
spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may
prove detrimental to their hosts."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Nov 3, 2007 20:57
On Nov 3, 10:50 am, "andy-k" wrote:
> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
> necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most effectively
> spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may
> prove detrimental to their hosts."
>
> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
But obviously not detrimental enough to make the species go extinct
yet. Mix in the evolution of ideas and technology with our existing
human nature may or may not lead to such a result. Here is another
theory that came out about the same time as the meme theory. I like to
try and combine the two approaches.
Gene-culture Coevolution
Charles Lumsden 03.05.1999
Evolving Creative Minds IV
Whereas most animal evolution arises from the differential replication
of genetic information, human evolution obligatorily involves the
differential transmission of both genetic and cultural information...
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Date: Nov 4, 2007 00:44
"Immortalist" wrote:
> "andy-k" wrote:
>> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will
>> not necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most
>> effectively spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful
>> memes may prove detrimental to their hosts."
>>
>> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme>
> But obviously not detrimental enough to make the species go extinct
> yet. Mix in the evolution of ideas and technology with our existing
> human nature may or may not lead to such a result.
Yes indeed, but it has already provided a mechanism for the extinction
of certain cultures (e.g. the Easter Island population).
> Here is another theory that came out about the same time as the meme
> theory. I like to try and combine the two approaches.
Thanks for that.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Nov 4, 2007 01:05
> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
> necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most
> effectively
> spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may
> prove detrimental to their hosts."
>
> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
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>
From: "andy-k"
Subject: The Selfish Meme
Date: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:50 AM
"Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most effectively
spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may
prove detrimental to their hosts."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Nov 4, 2007 06:40
On Nov 4, 2:05 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
>> necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most
>> effectively
>> spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may
>> prove detrimental to their hosts."
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> From: "andy-k"
> Subject: The Selfish Meme
> Date: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:50 AM
>
> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
> necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most effectively
> spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may ...
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Nov 5, 2007 03:41
On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, "andy-k" wrote:
> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
> necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most effectively
> spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may
> prove detrimental to their hosts."
Like the suicide bombers' meme.
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Nov 5, 2007 03:46
On Nov 4, 7:44 am, "andy-k" wrote:
> "Immortalist" wrote:
>> "andy-k" wrote:
>>> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will
>>> not necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most
>>> effectively spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful
>>> memes may prove detrimental to their hosts."
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>> But obviously not detrimental enough to make the species go extinct
>> yet. Mix in the evolution of ideas and technology with our existing
>> human nature may or may not lead to such a result.
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> Yes indeed, but it has already provided a mechanism for the extinction
> of certain cultures (e.g. the Easter Island population).
>
>> Here is another theory that came out about the same time as the meme
>> theory. I like to try and combine the two approaches.
> ...
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Nov 5, 2007 13:03
On Nov 5, 8:46 pm, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:
> Memes don't really exist in any meaningful way and add absolutely
> fuck all to our understanding of human history and social change.
Oh so a socialist and a meme have a lot in common?
MG
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Nov 5, 2007 20:27
On Nov 5, 3:46 am, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:> On Nov 4, 7:44 am, "andy-k" wrote:
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>> "Immortalist" wrote:
>>> "andy-k" wrote:
>>>> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will
>>>> not necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most
>>>> effectively spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful
>>>> memes may prove detrimental to their hosts."
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>>> But obviously not detrimental enough to make the species go extinct
>>> yet. Mix in the evolution of ideas and technology with our existing
>>> human nature may or may not lead to such a result.
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Nov 5, 2007 20:37
On Nov 5, 5:41 am, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:> On Nov 3, 5:50 pm, "andy-k" wrote:
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>> "Memeticists argue that the memes most beneficial to their hosts will not
>> necessarily survive; rather, those memes that replicate the most effectively
>> spread best, which allows for the possibility that successful memes may
>> prove detrimental to their hosts."
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> Like the suicide bombers' meme.
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Nope. Memes which are detrimental to their host will not be
successful due to the host becoming unable to replicate them.
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