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The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Mar 5, 2008 10:14

1. Clinton has won every big state except IL.

2. Obama has won a lot of red states which will probably go to McCain
leaving McCain to be more competitive in some of the rest of the
states where support for Obama is weaker.

3. Obama falters under an aggressive campaign, i. e., the last 6
days. Repugs aren't going to be any nicer than Hillary. On
newsgroups even Obama's most ardent supporters don't seem to want to
fight more than 2 posts.

4. The open primaries and caucuses that went to Obama don't reflect
general election realities.

5. The 20 somethings supporting Obama have no idea how successfully
the Clintons turned the country around 16 years ago.

6. Obama's campaign of hope is the polar opposite of Cheney's
campaign of eternal quagmire and low expectations. Anyone can be
popular contradicting Cheney.

7. What were superdelegates for in the first place? If Democracy for
America doesn't want someone winning with superdelegates, then they
should have thought of that _before_ 2008.

Bret Cahill
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Mar 5, 2008 10:33

On Mar 5, 10:14 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> 1.  Clinton has won every big state except IL.
>
> 2.  Obama has won a lot of red states which will probably go to McCain
> leaving McCain to be more competitive in some of the rest of the
> states where support for Obama is weaker.
>
> 3.  Obama falters under an aggressive campaign, i. e., the last 6
> days.  Repugs aren't going to be any nicer than Hillary.  On
> newsgroups even Obama's most ardent supporters don't seem to want to
> fight more than 2 posts.
>
> 4.  The open primaries and caucuses that went to Obama don't reflect
> general election realities.
>
> 5.  The 20 somethings supporting Obama have no idea how successfully
> the Clintons turned the country around 16 years ago.
>
> 6.  Obama's campaign of hope is the polar opposite of Cheney's
> campaign of eternal quagmire and low expectations.  Anyone can be ...
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: MichaelNJ
Date: Mar 5, 2008 10:46

On Mar 5, 1:14 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> 1. Clinton has won every big state except IL.
>
> 2. Obama has won a lot of red states which will probably go to McCain
> leaving McCain to be more competitive in some of the rest of the
> states where support for Obama is weaker.
>
> 3. Obama falters under an aggressive campaign, i. e., the last 6
> days. Repugs aren't going to be any nicer than Hillary. On
> newsgroups even Obama's most ardent supporters don't seem to want to
> fight more than 2 posts.
>
> 4. The open primaries and caucuses that went to Obama don't reflect
> general election realities.
>
> 5. The 20 somethings supporting Obama have no idea how successfully
> the Clintons turned the country around 16 years ago.
>
> 6. Obama's campaign of hope is the polar opposite of Cheney's
> campaign of eternal quagmire and low expectations. Anyone can be ...
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: Steven L.
Date: Mar 5, 2008 10:57

Immortalist wrote:
> On Mar 5, 10:14 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>> 1. Clinton has won every big state except IL.
>>
>> 2. Obama has won a lot of red states which will probably go to McCain
>> leaving McCain to be more competitive in some of the rest of the
>> states where support for Obama is weaker.
>>
>> 3. Obama falters under an aggressive campaign, i. e., the last 6
>> days. Repugs aren't going to be any nicer than Hillary. On
>> newsgroups even Obama's most ardent supporters don't seem to want to
>> fight more than 2 posts.
>>
>> 4. The open primaries and caucuses that went to Obama don't reflect
>> general election realities.
>>
>> 5. The 20 somethings supporting Obama have no idea how successfully
>> the Clintons turned the country around 16 years ago.
>>
>> 6. Obama's campaign of hope is the polar opposite of Cheney's ...
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: Day Brown
Date: Mar 5, 2008 11:18

A lot can happen before the election. Lets see how the mortgage/
forclosure crisis works out.

Part of the reason Hillary has such high negatives is that she has
actually been there in Washington trying to work out deals and making
compromises that piss some off. Obama has not been on the scene long
enough to have made enemies, nor had the power to bother with.

In any case, as I've said several times, the corporate media will spin
events to keep the polls as close as possible so as to motivate the
partisans to spend as much money as possible on ads. Which maxes
corporate profits. But unfortunately, does not really result in a
mandate to do anything. This nation needs some hard choices being
made, or it risks the dissolution of the Untied States of Denial where
communities and states with the wisdom to see what their problems are
take timely steps to deal with them.
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Mar 5, 2008 14:08

>  Personal
> hatred of Hillary is about the only thing that holds them all together
> at this point.  

The only thing that will get the border bigots -- a good 20%% of the
GOP -- out to vote for "McAmnesty" is a black Democrat.
> If Hillary gets the Dem nomination, then Republicans of
> all stripes will put aside their differences and work to keep her out of
> the White House.

The GOP will still need a candidate who won't cut and run when _Bill_
Clinton smiles broadly and winks, "oh yes I will . . ."

If nominated Hillary will win by 15+%%.

Obama can beat McCain but nearly as decisively.

Bret Cahill
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: pdotson
Date: Mar 5, 2008 14:17

On Mar 5, 1:14 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>
> 5.  The 20 somethings supporting Obama have no idea how successfully
> the Clintons turned the country around 16 years ago.

Yea! So successfully that the GOP won control of both the House and
Senate two years later. I'm betting Hillary will match or beat that
success.
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Mar 5, 2008 14:42

>> 5.  The 20 somethings supporting Obama have no idea how successfully
>> the Clintons turned the country around 16 years ago.
> Yea!  So successfully that the GOP won control of both the House and
> Senate two years later.  

Those Democrats couldn't know the high tax Clinton economic boom would
be the longest expansion in the history of the republic.
> I'm betting Hillary will match or beat that
> success.

Agreed! Hillary's high tax economic boom may last past the end of
Obama's second term assuming a Republicon doesn't get elected in 2024.

Bret Cahill
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: presidentbyamendment
Date: Mar 5, 2008 17:17

On Mar 5, 1:14 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> 1.  Clinton has won every big state except IL.

She stole NY.
>
> 2.  Obama has won a lot of red states which will probably go to McCain
> leaving McCain to be more competitive in some of the rest of the
> states where support for Obama is weaker.
>

Which will probably go to Obama.
> 3.  Obama falters under an aggressive campaign, i. e., the last 6
> days.  Repugs aren't going to be any nicer than Hillary.  On
> newsgroups even Obama's most ardent supporters don't seem to want to
> fight more than 2 posts.

Obama is cruising home, not faltering. He apparently won more
delegates in Texas.
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Re: The Real Arguments for Hillary Clinton         


Author: deadendDan
Date: Mar 5, 2008 17:36

"Bret Cahill" aol.com> wrote in message
news:4b0d3356-3bea-4617-8b85-ce245200b931@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> 1. Clinton has won every big state except IL.
>
> 2. Obama has won a lot of red states which will probably go to McCain
> leaving McCain to be more competitive in some of the rest of the
> states where support for Obama is weaker.
>
> 3. Obama falters under an aggressive campaign, i. e., the last 6
> days. Repugs aren't going to be any nicer than Hillary. On
> newsgroups even Obama's most ardent supporters don't seem to want to
> fight more than 2 posts.
>
> 4. The open primaries and caucuses that went to Obama don't reflect
> general election realities.
>
> 5. The 20 somethings supporting Obama have no idea how successfully
> the Clintons turned the country around 16 years ago.
>
> 6. Obama's campaign of hope is the polar opposite of Cheney's ...
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