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Author: iamthewitness.com Radioiamthewitness.com Radio Date: Apr 12, 2008 09:05
HATE LAWS' REAL AGENDA
By Harmony Grant
8 Apr 08
In the UK, 7000 citizens signed their name to a petition to expand
hate crime laws. They want the laws to punish anyone who commits
violence because someone looks different. The petition responds to the
murder of a young Goth-dressing woman and her boyfriend in a park.
The assailants didn’t know the girl. Presumably they attacked her
because she was wearing black lipstick. That’s how the argument goes.
The thuggish kids who attacked her should get tripled penalties
because their violence was motivated by her weird looks.
So, it would have been less heinous had she been an upper class,
pearls-wearing babe attacked because she looked rich? What if she’d
been a gorgeous blonde cheerleader and they attacked her because they
weren’t getting any? The list goes on forever.
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Author: -Phil Clemence-Phil Clemence Date: Apr 12, 2008 16:36
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HATE LAWS' REAL AGENDA
By Harmony Grant
8 Apr 08
In the UK, 7000 citizens signed their name to a petition to expand
hate crime laws. They want the laws to punish anyone who commits
violence because someone looks different. The petition responds to the
murder of a young Goth-dressing woman and her boyfriend in a park.
The assailants didn
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Author: skansaskansa Date: Apr 12, 2008 17:42
On Apr 13, 11:36 am, "-Phil Clemence" loose_ends.com> wrote:> " iamthewitness.com Radio" googlemail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:ad1e47c7-a3b6-4d50-a98e-6e6fa9fd1acc@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> HATE LAWS' REAL AGENDA
>
> By Harmony Grant
> 8 Apr 08
>
> In the UK, 7000 citizens signed their name to a petition to expand
> hate crime laws. They want the laws to punish anyone who commits
> violence because someone looks different. The petition responds to the
> murder of a young Goth-dressing woman and her boyfriend in a park.
>
> The assailants didn't know the girl. Presumably they attacked her
> because she was wearing black lipstick. That's how the argument goes.
> The thuggish kids who attacked her should get tripled penalties
> because their violence was motivated by her weird looks.
>
> So, it would have been less heinous had she been an upper class,
> pearls-wearing babe attacked because she looked rich? What if she'd ...
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Author: f. barnesf. barnes Date: Apr 12, 2008 18:01
On Apr 12, 7:42 pm, skansa xtra.co.nz> wrote:> On Apr 13, 11:36 am, "-Phil Clemence" loose_ends.com> wrote:
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>> By Harmony Grant
>> 8 Apr 08
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>> In the UK, 7000 citizens signed their name to a petition to expand
>> hate crime laws. They want the laws to punish anyone who commits
>> violence because someone looks different. The petition responds to the
>> murder of a young Goth-dressing woman and her boyfriend in a park.
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>> The assailants didn't know the girl. Presumably they attacked her ...
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Author: toolytooly Date: Apr 12, 2008 19:15
First I hate cross posters.
That being said, I have always argued that we represent ourselves by the
objects we associate with. Once again, I use Picasso and his successful use
of certain, otherwise seeming non-aligned, objects to convey concrete
emotional context. For example, nails, broken glass, barbed wire...things
sharp...all come together to evoke things like fear and anxiety in the
beholder.
Someone presenting themselves with the Goth look are not 'non-aligned' and
innocent, but conveying a definite political communication designed just as
the original post suggests, as essentially anti-establishment, which in the
western world is, again essentially, anti-Christian [by way of values].
Of course, we in the west, hold free expression as something to protect.
But like the freedom of religion going to 'ludicrously' protect Satanic
worshipers, we should realize that there are limits to freedom before we
sacrifice the very goose that laid the golden eggs to begin with. There
are some things we should stand up and fight for and not against...and
freedom is not the ultimate value but remains still, a function of a higher
virtue we should protect even beyond.
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Author: -Phil Clemence-Phil Clemence Date: Apr 12, 2008 19:19
> On Apr 13, 11:36 am, "-Phil Clemence" loose_ends.com> wrote:>> " iamthewitness.com Radio" googlemail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:ad1e47c7-a3b6-4d50-a98e-6e6fa9fd1acc@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> HATE LAWS' REAL AGENDA
>>
>> By Harmony Grant
>> 8 Apr 08
>>
>> In the UK, 7000 citizens signed their name to a petition to expand
>> hate crime laws. They want the laws to punish anyone who commits
>> violence because someone looks different. The petition responds to the
>> murder of a young Goth-dressing woman and her boyfriend in a park.
>>
>> The assailants didn't know the girl. Presumably they attacked her
>> because she was wearing black lipstick. That's how the argument goes.
>> The thuggish kids who attacked her should get tripled penalties
>> because their violence was motivated by her weird looks.
>> ...
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Author: -Phil Clemence-Phil Clemence Date: Apr 12, 2008 19:36
>
> First I hate cross posters.
>
> That being said, I have always argued that we represent ourselves by the
> objects we associate with. Once again, I use Picasso and his successful
> use of certain, otherwise seeming non-aligned, objects to convey
> concrete emotional context. For example, nails, broken glass, barbed
> wire...things sharp...all come together to evoke things like fear and
> anxiety in the beholder.
>
> Someone presenting themselves with the Goth look are not 'non-aligned'
> and innocent, but conveying a definite political communication designed
> just as the original post suggests, as essentially anti-establishment,
> which in the western world is, again essentially, anti-Christian [by way
> of values].
>
> Of course, we in the west, hold free expression as something to protect.
> But like the freedom of religion going to 'ludicrously' protect Satanic ...
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Author: skansakskansak Date: Apr 12, 2008 21:47
On Apr 13, 2:36 pm, "-Phil Clemence" loose_ends.com> wrote:>> First I hate cross posters.
>
>> That being said, I have always argued that we represent ourselves by the
>> objects we associate with. Once again, I use Picasso and his successful
>> use of certain, otherwise seeming non-aligned, objects to convey
>> concrete emotional context. For example, nails, broken glass, barbed
>> wire...things sharp...all come together to evoke things like fear and
>> anxiety in the beholder.
>
>> Someone presenting themselves with the Goth look are not 'non-aligned'
>> and innocent, but conveying a definite political communication designed
>> just as the original post suggests, as essentially anti-establishment,
>> which in the western world is, again essentially, anti-Christian [by way ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Apr 13, 2008 05:45
"The Real Agenda Behind Hate Laws" is power. State Power.
Goths, jews, homosexuals, christians are emotional buttons that blind and
are beside and in service to this point.
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:15:35 -0400, tooly wrote:
> ............. I have always argued that we represent ourselves by
> the objects we associate with.
Objects are objects and so neutral. Objects are assigned meaning and
purpose by the viewer and the user. The meaning of any object can be
different between any two people. To get 'meta' about it, there will
always be a difference.
So, we do not represent ourselves with objects, the representation is the
meaning placed on the objects. Even inside of cultural consensus we must
start here. Certainly in alt.philosophy we do.
> Someone presenting themselves with the Goth look are not 'non-aligned'
> and innocent, but conveying a definite political communication designed
> just as the original post suggests, as essentially anti-establishment,
> which in the western world is, again essentially, anti-Christian [by way
> of values].
guilt by fashion?
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Author: toolytooly Date: Apr 13, 2008 19:28
"ZerkonX" X.net> wrote in message news:pan.2008.04.13.13.02.35@X.net...>
> "The Real Agenda Behind Hate Laws" is power. State Power.
>
> Goths, jews, homosexuals, christians are emotional buttons that blind and
> are beside and in service to this point.
>
> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:15:35 -0400, tooly wrote:
>
>> ............. I have always argued that we represent ourselves by
>> the objects we associate with.
>
> Objects are objects and so neutral. Objects are assigned meaning and
> purpose by the viewer and the user. The meaning of any object can be
> different between any two people. To get 'meta' about it, there will
> always be a difference.
>
> So, we do not represent ourselves with objects, the representation is the
> meaning placed on the objects. Even inside of cultural consensus we must
> start here. Certainly in alt.philosophy we do. ...
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