>
> Funny, I've spent my entire life an scientific laboratories,
> and no one's ever even offered to swap me a mere girlfriend.
>
> The most outrageous and debauched thing I've ever encountered
> was all of us sitting out on the roof the day before Christmas
> break, making frozen daiquiries with a blender, lab alcohol,
> and a flavorful ester I will not mention here, lest someone
> try it at home.
>
It ended when someone, drunk, ran over one of the employees in
their car. But I know of one of the scientist, a div. head
no less, who's secretary lived with him and his wife. No, it
wasn't just a convenience stay. Another div head use to have
his secretary purchase sex items on her credit card for his
girl friend (an employee who got her share of "bennies") so
that his wife wouldn't notice the purchases on his card.
As for alcohol, it use to flow freely, in fountains! Literally
fountains to refresh your glass with. Another accident, this
time an employee running over a survey crews equipment before
ending up in one of the ponds, ended the fountains.
>
> Clearly we were "freed of moral restraint". Â Surprising
> that we didn't go rape an entire sorority, isn't it?
>
> And what lab were *you* in, with the wife-swapping and all?
>
Not going to disclose as I received this infor from someone
who had been there from day one. The wife-swapping stuff
was within the closed community of the upper echelons. There
were many others who confessed to the same antics in the
early daze.
I will say this however, before I left, many of the scientist
were less atheistic, really agnostic if not actually attending
churches. I'm not saying that many were Bible believing
Christians, but there was a notable change after 30 yrs.
>
>> No, never seen it quoted in books but have seen it
>> plainly stated on radio and tv.
>
> I haven't. Â Fancy that.
>
> And you can't document these alleged outrageous statements,
> or even attempt them from memory.
>
> Fancy -- again -- that.
>
Well the BBC statement has often been noted so it shouldn't
be hard to verify. Personally I've heard it at least a
dozen times and even heard a replay of the interview on
the radio once.
As you say, but 2 scientist. Oh, but what two they were.
There were other noted philosophic evolutionist who also
stated this. I do have it documented somewhere but it's
not that important for me to spend the time to find it. I
also have a DVD recording (somewhere in a series of about
60 DVD's) where an evolutionist in a creationist debate,
like wise confesses it.
>
>>> Instead they tend towards things like "Thus we see the transition
>>> from the reptilian jaw bones to the impedence-matching
>>> structure of the mammalian middle ear. =A0Isn't that just
>>> the neatest thing?"
>
>> And what isn't reported for common consumption that
>> the brow and jaw bone never cease growing, so the older
>> you get, the more pronounced they become. Â There is a
>> museum in eastern Turkey that exhibits a 6 1.2 inch
>> wide human jaw bone. Â In Egypt, they have a 47 in
>> femur. Â If you want a really interesting read, read
>> "Darwin's  Black Box" by Michael Behe.
>
> I have utterly no idea what that has to do with the evolution
> of the mammalian inner ear.
>
You mentioned a jaw bone. A 6 1/2 in jaw bone in a normal
growth human plays out to an individual of nearly 300 yrs
in age. The 47 inch femur would calculate out to a 16 foot
tall human being.
Again, read the book.
>
>>> Hard to declare a moral holiday based on such geeky wowies.
>
>>> However, if you are right, then evolutionary biologists
>>> should as a group be notorious as rapists, murderers, arsonists,
>>> and thieves.
>
>> Which begs my original question: Â "Where does moral
>> restraint come from? Â
>
> The same place it comes from in other social animals: our
> wiring. Â Wolves don't kill other wolves within the pack;
Why? Where does this come from if we all descended from
an impersonal rock?
>
> it's in their self-interest not to.
And canadian geese and bald eagles mate for life.
>Â (but they do
> subordinate their own reproductive interests and
> altruistically assist in raising the cubs of others,
> something few humans are sufficently "moral" to do)
>
But where does this restraint come from?
>
>> History tells when restraint was
>> removed and terrible terrible things were done. Â But
>> why is it that men are not as bad as they could be,
>> for the most part. Â Also, why does morality decay in
>> an affluent society?
>
> Why do you think it does? Â Current society is both more affluent
> and considerably more moral,
You're not very old, are you? It is considerably more
IM-moral. In fact, I have seen a government chart which
beginning in the 1930's and extends to the mid 1990's. It
was a record of the increase of, out of wedlock child births,
divorces, single parent households, suicides, and the
national index of murders. The time line nearly parallels
the government funded and mandated teaching of evolution.
Did you ever read what those two boys wore at Colombine and
what day they chose to murder who?
You send kids to school and inform them that they are
all descended from apes and that there are no absolutes
and that all there is is a mechanical universe and then
wonder why such things happen. Amazing.
>on the whole, than the Southern culture
> I was raised in six decades ago.
>
Then you must have been mighty poor and never
traveled more than 10 miles from your home. Me,
I'm a "Northern" boy, more than six decades. My
parents use to drive the family down to Boloxi and
Atlanta for vacations, visiting relatives. Yes
there were those "whites only" water fountains and
the such, but people were polite and more often than
not, attended church on Sunday. A son would call his
father "sir" and if you got in trouble at school, you
got spanked there and when you got home, you got it
twice as bad. There was a common decency. You didn't
see to women making out in the fast food car line.
You didn't see near naked women, twice life size
with their legs spread apart in the front window of
the local tanning salon. Theft in stores, while not
unheard of, was minimal. On a whole, we were more
community minded that present. Suppose air conditioning
and television has a role to play in that somewhere.
>
>>>=A0The name of every evolutionary biologist
>>> should be on all no-fly lists. =A0The arrival of an
>>> evolutionary biologist in your neighborhood should
>>> trigger the organization of a neighborhood watch.
>>> There probably should be an online listing of evolutionary
>>> biologists, similar to that for sexual predators.
>
>>> To the best of my knowledge, none of this is true,
>>> in spite of the notorious moral license brought on
>>> by a lifetime spent contemplating of the theory of evolution.
>
>> how many debates have you attended?
>
> Which debates have you attended, from which you came
> away realizing that evolutionary biologists are
> amoral sociopathic monsters?
>
two that I remember. In one, the scientist became so
frustrated in having his "evidence" explained away
__scientifically__ that he became exceedingly belligerent
and what a potty mouth.
the first time I remember a really ignorant outburst
was at NW U in Chicago. This was in the very early
'70's. There when the evolutionary scientist finished
their opening arguments, the students were stomping their
feet on the wooden bleachers, congratulating their
advocates in stomping their opponents before they ever
even got to speak. But the creationist, as was nearly
always the case, point by point decimated the opening
"scientific proofs." By the end of the debate, most
of the students were truly sullen and most never even
talked to one another on their way out. But there were
some students who had had their comfortable chairs
pulled out from underneath them and they couldn't handle
it. Four letter shouting attacks were spurred on by
one of the four evolutionary scientist (a philosophy
prof) verbal abuse of all things pertaining to
Christianity. It really was sad. Prof's walk around
on these little pedestals as if they are gods, either
self declared or so thought by their students. To
be in a gym where two of them acted more like children
than children really left some of the students deflated.
all for tonight.
