> On Aug 13, 9:28 am, Nic hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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>> On 12 Aug, 16:10, Nic hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

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>>> On 12 Aug, 01:13, "bigflet...@gmail.com" gmail.com> wrote:

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>>>> On Aug 12, 6:22 am, Nic hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

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>>>>> On Aug 11, 3:53 pm, "bigflet...@gmail.com" gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:

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>>>>>> And not long befor that, anyone foolish enough to demonstrate such
>>>>>> capabilities were burned at the stake. The US is heavily influenced by
>>>>>> the church, and even some jesuits I have known (one spends much time
>>>>>> in the Vatican), dont deny, but actually refer to such behaviour as
>>>>>> being in league with the devil.

>

>>>>>> I remember a couple of decades ago , talking to a friend about the
>>>>>> exciting discoveries I had made looking up Pythagorean mysticism. He
>>>>>> was also interested, until we met once again, when he informed me he
>>>>>> was warned off by the priest for similar reasons.

>

>>>>> I generalize I guess so...although I reckon that interest in certain
>>>>> subjects requiring some background knowledge and high level
>>>>> mathe reasoning, such as engineering perhaps?

>

>>>> It all boils down to the confidence one has in one's own power of
>>>> discrimination.I actually started out as a structural engineering
>>>> student, but aftre a while I new it wasnt for me.I only discovered my
>>>> vocation when I was willing to give up on something that may have been
>>>> more acceptable to the 'community'.

>

>>>> I have since discovered that although recognising your rational, it
>>>> doesnt neccesarily follow. Just look at the different engineering
>>>> opinions regarding the 9/11 events.Hard evidence is usually subjigated
>>>> by deeply held beliefs...eg. How could this possibly be an 'inside
>>>> job'. Loyalty to the state, church or any group for that matter, is a
>>>> very compelling attachment. Even engineers are only able to see what
>>>> they are willing to see on such matters.

>

>>>>>like symbolism
>>>>> and geometry can be so badly interpreted that innocent interest
>>>>> in subjects can be misconstrewed out of all original intent....
>>>>> if you consider something like an invention, a discovery or a patent
>>>>> desiged with patience and skill, bought and paid for and turned over
>>>>> to someone who has less knowledge and even less interest in its
>>>>> background development, the results might be very harmful indeed.

>

>>>> If Oppenheimer was here to respond, he would likely use the recent
>>>> cliche "Tell me about it" :-)

>

>>>>> Not recently, although I have had a weird moment of self reflection
>>>>> when collecting a priscription from the pharmacy...a close friend
>>>>> has problems in her home and has sworn that she had a poltergeist?!
>>>>> so I'm easy going and we discussed it fairly openly...we're standing
>>>>> at the counter and she tells me shes contacted a medium and the
>>>>> Priests...then she asks how ill I am...am I seeing anything?

>

>>>>> I spat out my dummy and replied 'who is this prescription for by
>>>>> chance'?
>>>>> and you know I don't have any knowledge or belief system approaching
>>>>> her own! and how can anyone believe in such crap (although I know
>>>>> some kinda sounds have really freeked her out!) I half wanted to warn
>>>>> her to be very still and quiet about it in case shes identified and
>>>>> cross
>>>>> talked?!

>

>>>> Beliefs are beliefs, and like the political variety, always need a
>>>> 'nah sayer to validate. Back to my point re self discrimination.

>

>>>>> ...it really is a matter for individuals to decide where their faith
>>>>> is,
>>>>> and how they believe. As for who is believable, I would have said,
>>>>> has much to do with recent conditioning ie gossip media and the
>>>>> numbers of people who are tolerable.

>

>>>> Precisely! Mutual needs being met.

>

>>>>> Now thinking about chemistry,hmmmm, which must require an
>>>>> extraordinarily special understanding considering the maths, and
>>>>> spacial engineering, freewill plus the 'spiritual intention' ide, the
>>>>> whole mind/body evolution of individual human experience......makes
>>>>> me question my own value as a human being!

>

>>>> I worked out decades ago , the deeper meaning of "the whole is greater
>>>> than the sum of its parts", although I am in awe of such iltellects
>>>> who are capable of in such 'discection'.

>

>>>>> we have discussed our dreams tho...hers are very lively and she
>>>>> appears to believe they are prophetic! while I consider mine a source
>>>>> for poetry or arts or writing a good stories, perhaps?

>

>>>> Some dreams happen while asleep. The majority while you are awake.
>>>> How else can one discover their authentic nature?

>

>>>> One problem with open communication on such subjects as "I have a
>>>> dream" can result in a nightmare. Somethings are best left where they
>>>> are found.

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>>> I don't know really, porn for example is often an imaginitive fantasy
>>> beyond aesthetics and reality, although something must happen
>>> to turn it into a marketing technique, an item of clothing, ways of
>>> presenting any individual, etc... and who is to judge? & how far is
>>> far enough?

>

>>> I have had a weird couple of years, depending upon my social
>>> contacts and welfare dependency....especially after divorce, when
>>> I was arrested and accused of the most extraordinary thing, or
>>> kept in the dark and kept in silence.

>

>>> Discussing the 9/11 was always easy for other people and at the
>>> time it occurred I was on welfare and on prescriptive drugs, and
>>> my emotional and home life was so easy to get thru because there
>>> were people there to help with my manic phases and after the birth
>>> of the 3 children, but aways it was like I'd ask for help for certain
>>> things and it would take an aeon to get the idea across? HELP!
>>> ---in mental health the discrimination is hard to imagine too, people
>>> are always delighted to see reason! as long as its a nurse or a doctor
>>> kindly neighbours, but its always chaos because it was like people
>>> would "always think twice !" and people who are suffering from any
>>> illusion of course, about ones own self or about anothers causes
>>> distrust in an atmosphere, gossip is rife. Its kinda horrendous to
>>> think that innocent individuals can be isolated so easily...I am shy.

>

>>> I didnt think about 9/11 of course until it was mentioned fairly
>>> innoculously in conversation abroad, (here online) I imagine that
>>> there
>>> is so much data and all and every piece of information to source the
>>> culprits of such a devastation is impossible now, but it has to be
>>> sorted
>>> thru I guess. So yes, it hadnt occured to me that there was any link
>>> to
>>> a date of birth on a file marked 'X' -- and any culprits.

>

>>> I got the worse possible shock of my life a couple of years ago when
>>> I was trying to get my life together after a sort of bust up with my
>>> old man
>>> I got myself together and got fit and began meeting people I havnt
>>> seen
>>> for some years. I discussed moving house with my friends went out
>>> to party and find a new man in my life. I stayed out (the children
>>> were
>>> in safty, thank you)

>

>>> I got home one day, packed a few things to go stay with a friend and
>>> chill out. There was a Priest at my door, then the police were called
>>> and
>>> I was prevented from access to my own property. I was arrested, I
>>> resisted
>>> and thrown to the floor, FOR NO APPARENT FUCKIN REASON WHATSO
>>> EVER.

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>> anyways, after a couple of days sobbing demanding to know why
>> and who had had me incarcerated and what the specific problem
>> was, "my behaviour?" I asked, "had I cheated and left a bill on the
>> table?" who had made a report against me? and what exactly has
>> me, individually been accused of? ......it was particularly upsetting
>> because I was heavily bruised and could never make contact with
>> my friend/s until well after the marks and swellings had lessened.

>

>> At that time I was hoping to meet someone to begin a fresh start
>> and hoping for a new baby in my arms by the end of the year. I
>> asked for a pregnancy test to confirm that...along with other things
>> which I never recieved.

>

>> I was intimidated and humoured the staff,in case someone tried to
>> hurt me or tried to make me forget what they were doing, and had
>> done without a cause or explaination. What particularly caught my
>> attention was three or four references to sex, and outright
>> deformation
>> and what was very close to slander. I was attacked by a patient on
>> one ocassion and on another was so afraid of the night staff and
>> astonished at their behaviour playing a porn movie on the patients
>> TV that I made a report.

>

>> ...most recently, I made the briefest aquaintance with someone who
>> mentioned something to do with the name of 'Ruth' a name of someone
>> I have nothing to do with whatsoever on a very private basis or day to
>> day now, or ever in my lifetime.

>

>> ....so now you're prolly asking what this montage is all about or if
>> or
>> has anything to do with the subject of psychic readings I
>> guess? ...well....
>> if there is without question a cause for any arrest...should the
>> person be
>> told why? and how do people tell the difference between a suggested
>> link between an actual event or portent and somebody else, say?

>

>> ....the upshot of this was that there is only one more child in the
>> area
>> than there was those years ago.....and that birth wasn't from between
>> my thighs, th populatioin stats remain low, and I am resolutely pro-
>> life
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> We each create everything that happens to us, and the same chemistry
> that mutually attracts substances, attracts people who deliver what we
> are creating.
>
> Sound 'over the top'?. Not when you start to recognise your creative
> self. Thats when it all comes together, and you become eternally
> grateful for the experiences. Grateful to whom?
>
> You, and thats what throws the manipulators and power brokers. They
> are also complying with the same process of course. The manipulators
> attraxcting those that are still at the stage of needing manipulation.
>
> In doubt? Look at your own life and those close to you, and look at
> how they keep attracting the same characteristics in new mates.
>
> BOfL