On 12 Aug, 16:10, Nic
hotmail.co.uk> wrote:> On 12 Aug, 01:13, "bigflet...@
gmail.com"
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>>> On Aug 12, 6:22Â am, Nic
hotmail.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> On Aug 11, 3:53Â pm, "bigflet...@
gmail.com"
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>>>> And not long befor that, anyone foolish enough to demonstrate such
>>>> capabilities were burned at the stake. The US is heavily influenced by
>>>> the church, and even some jesuits I have known (one spends much time
>>>> in the Vatican), dont deny, but actually refer to such behaviour as
>>>> being in league with the devil.
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>>>> I remember a couple of decades ago , talking to a friend about the
>>>> exciting discoveries I had made looking up Pythagorean mysticism. He
>>>> was also interested, until we met once again, when he informed me he
>>>> was warned off by the priest for similar reasons.
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>>> I generalize I guess so...although I reckon that interest in certain
>>> subjects requiring some background knowledge and high level
>>> mathe reasoning, such as engineering perhaps?
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>> It all boils down to the confidence one has in one's own power of
>> discrimination.I actually started out as a structural engineering
>> student, but aftre a while I new it wasnt for me.I only discovered my
>> vocation when I was willing to give up on something that may have been
>> more acceptable to the 'community'.
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>> I have since discovered that although recognising your rational, it
>> doesnt neccesarily follow. Just look at the different engineering
>> opinions regarding the 9/11 events.Hard evidence is usually subjigated
>> by deeply held beliefs...eg. How could this possibly be an 'inside
>> job'. Loyalty to the state, church or any group for that matter, is a
>> very compelling attachment. Even engineers are only able to see what
>> they are willing to see on such matters.
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>>>like symbolism
>>> and geometry can be so badly interpreted that innocent interest
>>> in subjects can be misconstrewed out of all original intent....
>>> if you consider something like an invention, a discovery or a patent
>>> desiged with patience and skill, bought and paid for and turned over
>>> to someone who has less knowledge and even less interest in its
>>> background development, the results might be very harmful indeed.
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>> If Oppenheimer was here to respond, he would likely use the recent
>> cliche "Tell me about it" :-)
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>>> Not recently, although I have had a weird moment of self reflection
>>> when collecting a priscription from the pharmacy...a close friend
>>> has problems in her home and has sworn that she had a poltergeist?!
>>> so I'm easy going and we discussed it fairly openly...we're standing
>>> at the counter and she tells me shes contacted a medium and the
>>> Priests...then she asks how ill I am...am I seeing anything?
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>>> I spat out my dummy and replied 'who is this prescription for by
>>> chance'?
>>> and you know I don't have any knowledge or belief system approaching
>>> her own! and how can anyone believe in such crap (although I know
>>> some kinda sounds have really freeked her out!) I half wanted to warn
>>> her to be very still and quiet about it in case shes identified and
>>> cross
>>> talked?!
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>> Beliefs are beliefs, and like the political variety, always need a
>> 'nah sayer to validate. Back to my point re self discrimination.
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>>> ...it really is a matter for individuals to decide where their faith
>>> is,
>>> and how they believe. As for who is believable, I would have said,
>>> has much to do with recent conditioning ie gossip media and the
>>> numbers of people who are tolerable.
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>> Precisely! Mutual needs being met.
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>>> Now thinking about chemistry,hmmmm, which must require an
>>> extraordinarily special understanding considering the maths, and
>>> spacial engineering, freewill plus the 'spiritual intention' ide, the
>>> whole mind/body evolution of individual human experience......makes
>>> me question my own value as a human being!
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>> I worked out decades ago , the deeper meaning of "the whole is greater
>> than the sum of its parts", although I am in awe of such iltellects
>> who are capable of in such 'discection'.
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>>> we have discussed our dreams tho...hers are very lively and she
>>> appears to believe they are prophetic! while I consider mine a source
>>> for poetry or arts or writing a good stories, perhaps?
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>> Some dreams happen while asleep. The majority while you are awake.
>> How else can one discover their authentic nature?
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>> One problem with open communication on such subjects as "I have a
>> dream" can result in a nightmare. Somethings are best left where they
>> are found.
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> I don't know really, porn for example is often an imaginitive fantasy
> beyond aesthetics and reality, although something must happen
> to turn it into a marketing technique, an item of clothing, ways of
> presenting any individual, etc... and who is to judge? & how far is
> far enough?
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> I have had a weird couple of years, depending upon my social
> contacts and welfare dependency....especially after divorce, when
> I was arrested and accused of the most extraordinary thing, or
> kept in the dark and kept in silence.
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> Discussing the 9/11 was always easy for other people and at the
> time it occurred I was on welfare and on prescriptive drugs, and
> my emotional and home life was so easy to get thru because there
> were people there to help with my manic phases and after the birth
> of the 3 children, but aways it was like I'd ask for help for certain
> things and it would take an aeon to get the idea across? HELP!
> ---in mental health the discrimination is hard to imagine too, people
> are always delighted to see reason! as long as its a nurse or a doctor
> kindly neighbours, but its always chaos because it was like people
> would "always think twice !" and people who are suffering from any
> illusion of course, about ones own self or about anothers causes
> distrust in an atmosphere, gossip is rife. Its kinda horrendous to
> think that innocent individuals can be isolated so easily...I am shy.
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> I didnt think about 9/11 of course until it was mentioned fairly
> innoculously in conversation abroad, (here online) I imagine that
> there
> is so much data and all and every piece of information to source the
> culprits of such a devastation is impossible now, but it has to be
> sorted
> thru I guess. So yes, it hadnt occured to me that there was any link
> to
> a date of birth on a file marked 'X' -- and any culprits.
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> I got the worse possible shock of my life a couple of years ago when
> I was trying to get my life together after a sort of bust up with my
> old man
> I got myself together and got fit and began meeting people I havnt
> seen
> for some years. I discussed moving house with my friends went out
> to party and find a new man in my life. I stayed out (the children
> were
> in safty, thank you)
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> I got home one day, packed a few things to go stay with a friend and
> chill out. There was a Priest at my door, then the police were called
> and
> I was prevented from access to my own property. I was arrested, I
> resisted
> and thrown to the floor, FOR NO APPARENT FUCKIN REASON WHATSO
> EVER.
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anyways, after a couple of days sobbing demanding to know why
and who had had me incarcerated and what the specific problem
was, "my behaviour?" I asked, "had I cheated and left a bill on the
table?" who had made a report against me? and what exactly has
me, individually been accused of? ......it was particularly upsetting
because I was heavily bruised and could never make contact with
my friend/s until well after the marks and swellings had lessened.
At that time I was hoping to meet someone to begin a fresh start
and hoping for a new baby in my arms by the end of the year. I
asked for a pregnancy test to confirm that...along with other things
which I never recieved.
I was intimidated and humoured the staff,in case someone tried to
hurt me or tried to make me forget what they were doing, and had
done without a cause or explaination. What particularly caught my
attention was three or four references to sex, and outright
deformation
and what was very close to slander. I was attacked by a patient on
one ocassion and on another was so afraid of the night staff and
astonished at their behaviour playing a porn movie on the patients
TV that I made a report.
...most recently, I made the briefest aquaintance with someone who
mentioned something to do with the name of 'Ruth' a name of someone
I have nothing to do with whatsoever on a very private basis or day to
day now, or ever in my lifetime.
....so now you're prolly asking what this montage is all about or if
or
has anything to do with the subject of psychic readings I
guess? ...well....
if there is without question a cause for any arrest...should the
person be
told why? and how do people tell the difference between a suggested
link between an actual event or portent and somebody else, say?
....the upshot of this was that there is only one more child in the
area
than there was those years ago.....and that birth wasn't from between
my thighs, th populatioin stats remain low, and I am resolutely pro-
life
always
