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Author: Art
Date: Sep 12, 2008 06:42

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:47:10 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
fastmail.net> wrote:
>"Julian Jaynes (February 27, 1920 – November 21, 1997) was an American
>psychologist, best known for his book The Origin of Consciousness in
>the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1976), in which he argued that
>ancient peoples were not conscious (did not possess an introspective
>mind-space), but instead had their behavior directed by auditory
>hallucinations, which they interpreted as the voice of their chief,
>king, or the gods. Jaynes argued that the change from this mode of
>thinking (which he called the bicameral mind) to consciousness
>occurred over a period of centuries about three thousand years ago and
>was based on the development of metaphorical language and the
>emergence of writing."
>
>"At one time, human nature was split in two, an executive part called
>a god, and a follower part called a man. Neither part was Consciously
>aware.”
>
>According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state would
>function in a manner similar to that of a modern-day schizophrenic.
>Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected
>situations, the person would hallucinate a voice or "god" giving
>admonitory advice or commands, and obey these voices without question.
>Others have argued that this state of mind is recreated in members of
>cults.
>
>In his 1976 work The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the
>Bicameral Mind, Julian Jaynes proposed that human brains existed in a
>bicameral state until as recently as 3000 years ago. Jaynes builds a
>case for this hypothesis by citing evidence from many diverse sources
>including historical literature. He took an interdisciplinary
>approach, drawing data from many different fields.
>
>Jaynes asserts that until roughly the times written about in Homer's
>Iliad, humans did not generally have the self-awareness characteristic
>of consciousness as most people experience it today. Rather, Jaynes
>argued that the bicameral individual was guided by mental commands
>believed to be issued by external "gods"—the commands which were so
>often recorded in ancient myths, legends and historical accounts;
>these commands were however emanating from individuals' own minds.
>This is exemplified not only in the commands given to characters in
>ancient epics but also the very muses of Greek mythology which "sang"
>the poems: Jaynes argues that while later interpretations see the
>muses as a simple personification of creative inspiration, the
>ancients literally heard muses as the direct source of their music and
>poetry.
>
>Jaynes inferred that these "voices" came from the right brain
>counterparts of the left brain language centres—specifically, the
>counterparts to Wernicke's area and Broca's area. These regions are
>somewhat dormant in the right brains of most modern humans, but Jaynes
>noted that some studies show that auditory hallucinations correspond
>to increased activity in these areas of the brain.[4]
>
>For example, he asserts that, in The Iliad and sections of the Old
>Testament in The Bible, no mention is made of any kind of cognitive
>processes such as introspection, and he argues that there is no
>apparent indication that the writers were self-aware. According to
>Jaynes, the older portions of the Old Testament (such as the Book of
>Amos) have little or none of the features of some later books of the
>Old Testament (such as Ecclesiastes) as well as later works such as
>The Odyssey, which show indications of a profoundly different kind of
>mentality—an early form of consciousness.[4]
>
>Jaynes noted that in ancient societies, the corpses of the dead were
>often treated as though they were still alive (being seated on chairs,
>dressed in clothing, and even fed food) and he argued that the dead
>bodies were presumed to be still living and the source of auditory
>hallucinations (see ancestor worship).[4] This adaptation to the
>village communities of 100 individuals or more formed the core of
>religion. Unlike today's hallucinations, the voices of ancient times
>were structured by cultural norms to produce a seamlessly functioning
>society. In Ancient Greek culture there is often mention of the Logos,
>which is a very similar concept. It was a type of guiding voice that
>was heard as from a seemingly external source.
>
>In ancient times, Jaynes noted, gods were generally much more numerous
>and much more anthropomorphic than in modern times, and speculates
>that this was because each bicameral person had their own "god" who
>reflected their own desires and experiences.[5]
>
>Even in modern times, Jaynes notes that there is no consensus as to
>the cause or origins of schizophrenia (the subject is still hotly
>debated). According to Jaynes, schizophrenia is simply a vestige of
>humanity's earlier state.[4] Recent evidence shows that many
>schizophrenics don't just hear random voices but experience "command
>hallucinations" instructing their behavior or urging them to commit
>certain acts. As support for Jaynes's argument, these command
>hallucinations are little different from the commands from gods which
>feature so prominently in ancient stories.[4] Indirect evidence
>supporting Jaynes's theory that hallucinations once played an
>important role in human mentality can be found in the recent book
>Muses, Madmen, and Prophets: Rethinking the History, Science, and
>Meaning of Auditory Hallucination by Daniel Smith"
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the...

I'm reminded of the religious myths of "the fall of man" and the
"eating of the apple" leading to "knowledge of good and evil". My
theory is that these myths are based on the psychological impact on
mankind of his developing rational mind. Prior to this turning point,
man depended on his intuitive and psychic abilities. The developing
rational mind "descending" into materialism and pre-scientific
thought would indeed feel that it had lost its former state of
innocence.

But I place the approximate time of this development at about
100,000 years ago, not a mere 3,000. It's possible that Atlantis
did exist and the Antlanteans did develop science and technology,
most all of which was lost after the final destruction.

Art
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