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> what is the essense of life or consciousness, the most advanced
> manifestation of life.
> is consciousness the product of the FUNCTIONS of the human body or the
> product of ENERGY of the food eaten by the body?
> couldn't it be argued that the essence of life is not the organism but
> the foodstuff eaten by the organism? the food turns into the energy of
> life within/thru the organism, but isn't this energy(of the food)the
> essence of living-ness? that which we identify as alive or conscious
> is the energy from the food. no organism is alive by itself. it is a
> vessel thru which foodstuff is processed into life or consciousness.
> so, it could be argued that our thoughts are not really OUR thoughts
> but of a carrot we've eaten, at least in material terms. the thoughts
> are ours to the extent that each organism has a unique way of turning
> foodstuff into patterns of consciousness, feelings, and thoughts.
> but, the very material stuff of the thought itself is the energy
> released from the foodstuff. consciousness is a form of energy
> released by the organism--by its body. the very matter of
> consciousness is foodstuff transformed into energy.
> so, while most of us think in terms of man eating or using foodstuff
> in order to live, it could be argued that foodstuff 'uses' organisms
> in order to be transformed into life/conscious energy.
>
> in most cases, we eat the living or once living.
> plants, fish, meat, etc were all once living. when we eat them, they
> are usually dead though some people/animals like to eat alive
> stuff(like when a rabbit nibbles on a living plant). in the stomach
> of another organism, the foodstuff is broken down into fuel and used
> as energy. it is this emitting or release of energy that is the very
> essence of living-ness. so, it's not so much that WE are alive but
> FOOD stuff lives thru us.
>
> consider a car. it can only move or 'come to life' by burning energy.
> it cannot function by itself. so, the energy of a car is the
> manifestation of fuel that the car is burning. the car harnesses this
> energy but doesn't produce this energy. the power of the car is not
> of the car but of how the car uses the fuel or 'food'. the fuel is
> the essence of the car's 'life' or operative state.
>
> to speak of car and its power is meaningless without taking fuel into
> account. the car was designed to use the fuel, and it can't function
> on its own. when we talk of people, we think of mind and body. body
> includes the brain. now, is the mind or consciousness the product of
> the body? or, is it the process of the body? product and process are
> not the same. the car processes the fuel but the essence of the car's
> 'life' is its energy from the fuel. so, fuel is the essence of the
> 'life' of the car.
> even if the particularly patterned energy of the human body or a car
> can only be understood in relation to the physical form of the body or
> car, one can still speak of the energy released thru them. and it is
> this energy which is the essence of life or consciousness. and this
> energy comes from foodstuff.
> it's like the sun. its light or radiance-consciousness(metaphorically
> speaking) cannot exist without the body of the sun, but we can still
> regard its light as independent of the sun. of course, the difference
> between lifeforms and the sun is that that latter feeds on itself
> whereas lifeforms feed on others. to be sure, if an organism has
> nothing to eat, it starts to feed on itself like the sun, but such
> organism won't last long. an organism cannot turn itself into energy
> for long. it has to rely on other stuff to be its food.
>
> is the mind or consciousness OF the body? or, is it OF the food?
> traditionally, mankind spoke of mind and body. most folks saw the two
> as separate thru much of human history. but, then science showed that
> mind arises from the body. indeed, it is constantly arising from the
> body. it is a continual process whereupon the body is transforming
> into mind-matter. BUT, is it the body that is becoming mind-matter?
> or, is it food that is becoming mind-matter? so, doesn't it suggest
> that that in order to truly understand consciousness, we musn't talk
> simply of body and mind, but body, mind, and foodstuff? consciousness
> is the product of the body's processes but those processes would have
> no meaning without the fuel. the very stuff of consciousness is
> energy being used from the food.
>
> think of a car again; it would be foolish to talk of car and car-
> life(meaning car power). the body of the car doesn't produce car-
> life. rather, car-life is the product of the gasoline used by the car-
> body. without the fuel, there would no car-life. so, in order to talk
> of car-body and car-life, we must take into account an element
> independent of the car, which is the fuel. when we speak of humans,
> we ignore the importance of food cuz we see food as being separate
> from what we are. of course, we know that we need food to live and
> all that. but, we still don't regard food as the essense of what we
> are in terms of how we define ourselves. sure, we say stuff like 'we
> are what we eat', but we mean it in a metaphorical sense. it means eat
> healthy to be healthy. but, in a more literal sense we are what we
> eat. this doesn't mean that if you eat an orange, you are an orange.
> what it means is your life is the orange-turned-into-energy. it makes
> the body function and it also is the material stuff of consciousness.
>
> we may see food as beneath us in any discussion of the meaning of body
> and mind. the human body is a supremely complex machine. and the mind
> is the most complex thing we can think of. so, it sounds ridiculous to
> consider carrots, potatoes, chicken, lettuce, etc as having anything
> to do with the essence of what we are. but, the fact is no matter how
> complex our bodies may be and what they are capable of, they requires
> foodstuff to do any such. the mind that the body processes is,
> literally, foodstuff tranformed into energy. so, our thoughts and
> feelings are really energized bits and pieces of food we've eaten.
> we think of OUR thoughts but our thoughts are not really ours in the
> material sense. they are carrots, peas, and meat patternized into
> consciousness.
> in a way, one could say that foodstuff lives thru us. our bodies are
> the servants or vessels thru which foodstuff turn into mind-material.
> without us, food stuff would remain simple food stuff. but, thru our
> bodies foodstuff turns into the most complex life material in the
> universe. they turn into consciousness. even if a person is thinking
> his own thoughts and feeling his feelings, they are not really his in
> the materialist sense. he claims them as his own but they are made
> from the stuff he's eaten; similarly, car may think its power is its
> own power but its power is really gasoline turned into energy;
> depending on its design, the car may gain greater power from gasoline
> than another car, but still the very stuff of its power is the
> gasoline, not of itself.
> so, human feelings and thoughts are not really products of the person
> but of the stuff that his body processed.
> imagine a meat grinder. suppose it grinds meat and hamburger comes out
> of the other side. it may say, 'this is my meat which i'm producing'
> but in fact, he is merely processing meat that is not of itself. mr.
> grinder is only the processor, not the producer of the meat. hamburger
> has been processed OUT of the machine-body but it is not OF the
> machine body.
> similarly, mind has been processed THRU the human body but is not OF
> the human body.
> similarly, the power of the car is processed OUT or THRU the car-body
> but is not OF the car-body. the essence of car's power is the fuel it
> uses. or, one can argue that the fuel uses the car just as much as
> the car uses the fuel. of course, one can argue that fuel or food has
> no conscious will, so it makes no sense to speak of its desire or
> priority.
> after all, a person wants to eat food; food itself doesn't care one
> way or another. but, this very desire to eat food is a product of life
> force. and what is the essence of life force? it is the product of
> food being processed into will-to-life. we want to eat but this
> conscious desire on our part is the product of food-turned-into-mind.
> so, in a way, it is food-into-mind that demands more food-to-turn-into-
> mind. it's not so much that YOU want a hotdog but that your mind--
> which is food-turned-into-mind--wants more food in order to keep mind-
> energy going. even when it seems like YOUR thought, the very material
> stuff of that thought is not OF your body but only processed THRU your
> body. so, all your desires are really food-turned-into consciousness
> which demands more food be consumed to keep the torch of consciousness
> lit. it is essentially food-into-mind demanding that more food be
> turned into mind. food-into-mind is selfish this way.
>
> so, instead of speaking of body and mind, it makes more sense to speak
> of food thru body into mind. we think we are using food to serve
> ourselves but the food is 'using' us to become energy and be patterned
> into consciousness. we think WE are conscious; but as the actual
> material of consciousness is food-turned-into-energy, consciousness is
> actually food-stuff-as-mind-energy. what we lay claim to as ours isn't
> really ours. just as the running of the car is the power of the fuel
> which the car is using or vice versa, consciousness is the power of
> the food.
> thru us, the matter of world is turned from solid 'dead' stuff to
> conscious stuff. consciousness is the energy released thru our body.
> thru, not by or of.
> so, we are the vessel by which matter--food--turns into
> consciousness. food doesn't become aware of this process but rather
> allows us to be aware of it. still, the very thought and awareness
> that we gain is, actually, food-turned-into-energy.
> this energy is patterned and filtered thru the software of our brain
> structure and chemistry but the very essence of this conscious energy
> is the burning of the food-fuel. we take credit for our thoughts but
> the real credit belongs to the ...
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