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Re: the nature of life and consciousness. is it body and mind OR food, body, and mind?         

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Author: Immortalist
Date: Jul 7, 2007 09:49

On Jul 6, 5:30 pm, to sir with blob hotmail.com>
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> what is the essense of life or consciousness, the most advanced
> manifestation of life.
> is consciousness the product of the FUNCTIONS of the human body or the
> product of ENERGY of the food eaten by the body?

I think the best answer is that consciousness and subjectivity is not
the brain or the food but is the activities of the brain.

brain activities extended across time is the self as the film moving
through a movie projector with light shining through is the movie.

the self is a group of ongoing activities;

Functionalism in the philosophy of mind is the doctrine that what
makes something a mental state of a particular type does not depend on
its internal constitution, but rather on the way it functions, or the
role it plays, in the system of which it is a part. This doctrine is
rooted in Aristotle's conception of the soul, and has antecedents in
Hobbes's conception of the mind as a "calculating machine", but it has
become fully articulated (and popularly endorsed) only in the last
third of the 20th century. Though the term 'functionalism' is used to
designate a variety of positions in a variety of other disciplines,
including psychology, sociology, economics, and architecture, this
entry focuses exclusively on functionalism as a philosophical thesis
about the nature of mental states.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/functionalism/

William James & Functionalism

Some people disagreed with this reductionist viewpoint. For one,
William James, an American, described consciousness as a stream that
continually changes, and it cannot be reduced to elements. James still
believed that consciousness could be studied, but he was interested in
the functions of consciousness rather than its elements. His focus on
the functions of consciousness was motivated by (a) his pragmatic
philosophy, which means he was interested in the usefulness of things
and ideas rather than their ultimate explanation, and (b) by Darwin's
theory of evolution, which had suggested that every creature's
features had evolved for some purpose. Thus, human consciousness must
have some purpose or function, and James wanted to understand what
that purpose was.

Just as Wundt's ideas led to the development of structuralism, James's
ideas led to the development of functionalism, which was a loose
collection of psychologists who were interested in what the functions
consciousness serves, rather than what is the components or structure
of consciousness.

http://io.uwinnipeg.ca/~epritch1/amdvlop.htm

The term "cognitive psychology" was coined by Ulric Neisser in 1967,
in a book of the same name. It was a name given to an emerging point
of view that bootstrapped off the computer metaphor to describe the
human mind, without relying on it to the point of reducing the human
mind to a computer. Like the rest of materialist science, cognitive
psychology acknowledges that the mind is defined as what the brain
does, and the brain is a purely physical system that operates (albeit
complexly) within the constraints of natural law and the forces of
cause and effect. This view is called causal functionalism or simply,
functionalism.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-cognitive-psychology.htm

Turing (1950) was among the first to note that the human brain could
be analogied to the computer, which has been designed to carry out
certain functions. In particular, whilst computers are physical
devices with electronic substrate that perform computations on inputs
to give outputs, so brains are physical devices with neural substrate
that perform computations on inputs which produce behaviours. While
this comparison may be fictional rather than fundamental it helps show
that functionalism is the theoretical level between the physical
implementation and behavioural output (Marr, 1982). Therefore, it is
different from its predecessors of Cartesian dualism (advocating
discrete mental and physical substances) and Skinnerian behaviourism
and physicalism (declaring only physical substances) because it is
only concerned with the effective functions of the brain, through its
organization or its 'software programs'. More formally, functionalism
says that "mental states are constituted by their causal relations to
one another and to sensory inputs and behavioural outputs" (Block,
1996).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_(psychology)

Functionalism is a theory of the mind in contemporary philosophy,
developed largely as an alternative to both the identity theory of
mind and behaviorism. Its core idea is that mental states (beliefs,
desires, being in pain, etc.) are constituted solely by their
functional role - that is, their causal relations to other mental
states, sensory inputs, and behavioral outputs. Since mental states
are identified by a functional role, they are said to be multiply
realizable; in other words, they are able to be manifested in various
systems, even perhaps computers, so long as the system performs the
appropriate functions. While functionalism has its advantages, there
have been several arguments against it, claiming that it is an
insufficient account of the mind...

...Homuncular functionalism was developed largely by Daniel Dennett
and has been advocated by William Lycan. It arose in response to the
challenges that Ned Block's China Brain (a.k.a. Chinese nation) and
John Searle's Chinese Room thought experiments presented for the more
traditional forms of functionalism (see below under 'Criticism'). In
attempting to overcome the conceptual difficulties that arose from the
idea of a nation full of Chinese people wired together with each one
carrying out the functional or causal role that would normally be
ascribed to the mental states of an individual mind, for example, many
functionalists simply bit the bullet, so to speak, and argued that
such a Chinese nation would indeed possess all of the qualitative and
intentional properties of a mind; i.e. it would become a sort of
systemic or collective mind with propositional attitudes and other
mental characteristics. Whatever the worth of this latter hypothesis,
it was immediately objected that it entailed an unacceptable sort of
mind-mind supervenience: the systemic mind which somehow emerged at
the higher-level must necessarily supervene on the individual minds of
each individual member of the Chinese nation, to stick to Block's
formulation. But this would seem to put into serious doubt, if not
directly contradict, the fundamental idea of the supervenience thesis:
there can be no change in the mental realm without some change in the
underlying physical substratum. This can be easily seen if we label
the set of mental facts that occur at the higher-level M and the set
of mental facts that occur at the lower-level M1. Given the
transitivity of supervenience, if M supervenes on M1 and M1 supervenes
on P (physical base), then M and M1 both supervene on P, even though
they are (allegedly) totally different sets of mental facts.

Since mind-mind supervenience seemed to have become acceptable in
functionalist circles, it seemed to some that the only way to resolve
the puzzle was to postulate the existence of an entire hierarchical
series of mind levels (analogous to homonculi) which became less and
less sophisticated in terms of functional organization and physical
composition all the way down to the level of the physico-mechanical
neuron or group of neurons. The homunculi at each level, on this view,
have authentic mental properties but become simpler and less
intelligent as one works one's way down the hierarchy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_%%28philosophy_of_mind%%29
> couldn't it be argued that the essence of life is not the organism but
> the foodstuff eaten by the organism? the food turns into the energy of
> life within/thru the organism, but isn't this energy(of the food)the
> essence of living-ness? that which we identify as alive or conscious
> is the energy from the food. no organism is alive by itself. it is a
> vessel thru which foodstuff is processed into life or consciousness.
> so, it could be argued that our thoughts are not really OUR thoughts
> but of a carrot we've eaten, at least in material terms. the thoughts
> are ours to the extent that each organism has a unique way of turning
> foodstuff into patterns of consciousness, feelings, and thoughts.
> but, the very material stuff of the thought itself is the energy
> released from the foodstuff. consciousness is a form of energy
> released by the organism--by its body. the very matter of
> consciousness is foodstuff transformed into energy.
> so, while most of us think in terms of man eating or using foodstuff
> in order to live, it could be argued that foodstuff 'uses' organisms
> in order to be transformed into life/conscious energy.
>
> in most cases, we eat the living or once living.
> plants, fish, meat, etc were all once living. when we eat them, they
> are usually dead though some people/animals like to eat alive
> stuff(like when a rabbit nibbles on a living plant). in the stomach
> of another organism, the foodstuff is broken down into fuel and used
> as energy. it is this emitting or release of energy that is the very
> essence of living-ness. so, it's not so much that WE are alive but
> FOOD stuff lives thru us.
>
> consider a car. it can only move or 'come to life' by burning energy.
> it cannot function by itself. so, the energy of a car is the
> manifestation of fuel that the car is burning. the car harnesses this
> energy but doesn't produce this energy. the power of the car is not
> of the car but of how the car uses the fuel or 'food'. the fuel is
> the essence of the car's 'life' or operative state.
>
> to speak of car and its power is meaningless without taking fuel into
> account. the car was designed to use the fuel, and it can't function
> on its own. when we talk of people, we think of mind and body. body
> includes the brain. now, is the mind or consciousness the product of
> the body? or, is it the process of the body? product and process are
> not the same. the car processes the fuel but the essence of the car's
> 'life' is its energy from the fuel. so, fuel is the essence of the
> 'life' of the car.
> even if the particularly patterned energy of the human body or a car
> can only be understood in relation to the physical form of the body or
> car, one can still speak of the energy released thru them. and it is
> this energy which is the essence of life or consciousness. and this
> energy comes from foodstuff.
> it's like the sun. its light or radiance-consciousness(metaphorically
> speaking) cannot exist without the body of the sun, but we can still
> regard its light as independent of the sun. of course, the difference
> between lifeforms and the sun is that that latter feeds on itself
> whereas lifeforms feed on others. to be sure, if an organism has
> nothing to eat, it starts to feed on itself like the sun, but such
> organism won't last long. an organism cannot turn itself into energy
> for long. it has to rely on other stuff to be its food.
>
> is the mind or consciousness OF the body? or, is it OF the food?
> traditionally, mankind spoke of mind and body. most folks saw the two
> as separate thru much of human history. but, then science showed that
> mind arises from the body. indeed, it is constantly arising from the
> body. it is a continual process whereupon the body is transforming
> into mind-matter. BUT, is it the body that is becoming mind-matter?
> or, is it food that is becoming mind-matter? so, doesn't it suggest
> that that in order to truly understand consciousness, we musn't talk
> simply of body and mind, but body, mind, and foodstuff? consciousness
> is the product of the body's processes but those processes would have
> no meaning without the fuel. the very stuff of consciousness is
> energy being used from the food.
>
> think of a car again; it would be foolish to talk of car and car-
> life(meaning car power). the body of the car doesn't produce car-
> life. rather, car-life is the product of the gasoline used by the car-
> body. without the fuel, there would no car-life. so, in order to talk
> of car-body and car-life, we must take into account an element
> independent of the car, which is the fuel. when we speak of humans,
> we ignore the importance of food cuz we see food as being separate
> from what we are. of course, we know that we need food to live and
> all that. but, we still don't regard food as the essense of what we
> are in terms of how we define ourselves. sure, we say stuff like 'we
> are what we eat', but we mean it in a metaphorical sense. it means eat
> healthy to be healthy. but, in a more literal sense we are what we
> eat. this doesn't mean that if you eat an orange, you are an orange.
> what it means is your life is the orange-turned-into-energy. it makes
> the body function and it also is the material stuff of consciousness.
>
> we may see food as beneath us in any discussion of the meaning of body
> and mind. the human body is a supremely complex machine. and the mind
> is the most complex thing we can think of. so, it sounds ridiculous to
> consider carrots, potatoes, chicken, lettuce, etc as having anything
> to do with the essence of what we are. but, the fact is no matter how
> complex our bodies may be and what they are capable of, they requires
> foodstuff to do any such. the mind that the body processes is,
> literally, foodstuff tranformed into energy. so, our thoughts and
> feelings are really energized bits and pieces of food we've eaten.
> we think of OUR thoughts but our thoughts are not really ours in the
> material sense. they are carrots, peas, and meat patternized into
> consciousness.
> in a way, one could say that foodstuff lives thru us. our bodies are
> the servants or vessels thru which foodstuff turn into mind-material.
> without us, food stuff would remain simple food stuff. but, thru our
> bodies foodstuff turns into the most complex life material in the
> universe. they turn into consciousness. even if a person is thinking
> his own thoughts and feeling his feelings, they are not really his in
> the materialist sense. he claims them as his own but they are made
> from the stuff he's eaten; similarly, car may think its power is its
> own power but its power is really gasoline turned into energy;
> depending on its design, the car may gain greater power from gasoline
> than another car, but still the very stuff of its power is the
> gasoline, not of itself.
> so, human feelings and thoughts are not really products of the person
> but of the stuff that his body processed.
> imagine a meat grinder. suppose it grinds meat and hamburger comes out
> of the other side. it may say, 'this is my meat which i'm producing'
> but in fact, he is merely processing meat that is not of itself. mr.
> grinder is only the processor, not the producer of the meat. hamburger
> has been processed OUT of the machine-body but it is not OF the
> machine body.
> similarly, mind has been processed THRU the human body but is not OF
> the human body.
> similarly, the power of the car is processed OUT or THRU the car-body
> but is not OF the car-body. the essence of car's power is the fuel it
> uses. or, one can argue that the fuel uses the car just as much as
> the car uses the fuel. of course, one can argue that fuel or food has
> no conscious will, so it makes no sense to speak of its desire or
> priority.
> after all, a person wants to eat food; food itself doesn't care one
> way or another. but, this very desire to eat food is a product of life
> force. and what is the essence of life force? it is the product of
> food being processed into will-to-life. we want to eat but this
> conscious desire on our part is the product of food-turned-into-mind.
> so, in a way, it is food-into-mind that demands more food-to-turn-into-
> mind. it's not so much that YOU want a hotdog but that your mind--
> which is food-turned-into-mind--wants more food in order to keep mind-
> energy going. even when it seems like YOUR thought, the very material
> stuff of that thought is not OF your body but only processed THRU your
> body. so, all your desires are really food-turned-into consciousness
> which demands more food be consumed to keep the torch of consciousness
> lit. it is essentially food-into-mind demanding that more food be
> turned into mind. food-into-mind is selfish this way.
>
> so, instead of speaking of body and mind, it makes more sense to speak
> of food thru body into mind. we think we are using food to serve
> ourselves but the food is 'using' us to become energy and be patterned
> into consciousness. we think WE are conscious; but as the actual
> material of consciousness is food-turned-into-energy, consciousness is
> actually food-stuff-as-mind-energy. what we lay claim to as ours isn't
> really ours. just as the running of the car is the power of the fuel
> which the car is using or vice versa, consciousness is the power of
> the food.
> thru us, the matter of world is turned from solid 'dead' stuff to
> conscious stuff. consciousness is the energy released thru our body.
> thru, not by or of.
> so, we are the vessel by which matter--food--turns into
> consciousness. food doesn't become aware of this process but rather
> allows us to be aware of it. still, the very thought and awareness
> that we gain is, actually, food-turned-into-energy.
> this energy is patterned and filtered thru the software of our brain
> structure and chemistry but the very essence of this conscious energy
> is the burning of the food-fuel. we take credit for our thoughts but
> the real credit belongs to the ...
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