the nature of life and consciousness. is it body and mind OR food, body, and mind?
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the nature of life and consciousness. is it body and mind OR food, body, and mind?         

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Author: to sir with blob
Date: Jul 6, 2007 17:30

what is the essense of life or consciousness, the most advanced
manifestation of life.
is consciousness the product of the FUNCTIONS of the human body or the
product of ENERGY of the food eaten by the body?
couldn't it be argued that the essence of life is not the organism but
the foodstuff eaten by the organism? the food turns into the energy of
life within/thru the organism, but isn't this energy(of the food)the
essence of living-ness? that which we identify as alive or conscious
is the energy from the food. no organism is alive by itself. it is a
vessel thru which foodstuff is processed into life or consciousness.
so, it could be argued that our thoughts are not really OUR thoughts
but of a carrot we've eaten, at least in material terms. the thoughts
are ours to the extent that each organism has a unique way of turning
foodstuff into patterns of consciousness, feelings, and thoughts.
but, the very material stuff of the thought itself is the energy
released from the foodstuff. consciousness is a form of energy
released by the organism--by its body. the very matter of
consciousness is foodstuff transformed into energy.
so, while most of us think in terms of man eating or using foodstuff
in order to live, it could be argued that foodstuff 'uses' organisms
in order to be transformed into life/conscious energy.

in most cases, we eat the living or once living.
plants, fish, meat, etc were all once living. when we eat them, they
are usually dead though some people/animals like to eat alive
stuff(like when a rabbit nibbles on a living plant). in the stomach
of another organism, the foodstuff is broken down into fuel and used
as energy. it is this emitting or release of energy that is the very
essence of living-ness. so, it's not so much that WE are alive but
FOOD stuff lives thru us.

consider a car. it can only move or 'come to life' by burning energy.
it cannot function by itself. so, the energy of a car is the
manifestation of fuel that the car is burning. the car harnesses this
energy but doesn't produce this energy. the power of the car is not
of the car but of how the car uses the fuel or 'food'. the fuel is
the essence of the car's 'life' or operative state.

to speak of car and its power is meaningless without taking fuel into
account. the car was designed to use the fuel, and it can't function
on its own. when we talk of people, we think of mind and body. body
includes the brain. now, is the mind or consciousness the product of
the body? or, is it the process of the body? product and process are
not the same. the car processes the fuel but the essence of the car's
'life' is its energy from the fuel. so, fuel is the essence of the
'life' of the car.
even if the particularly patterned energy of the human body or a car
can only be understood in relation to the physical form of the body or
car, one can still speak of the energy released thru them. and it is
this energy which is the essence of life or consciousness. and this
energy comes from foodstuff.
it's like the sun. its light or radiance-consciousness(metaphorically
speaking) cannot exist without the body of the sun, but we can still
regard its light as independent of the sun. of course, the difference
between lifeforms and the sun is that that latter feeds on itself
whereas lifeforms feed on others. to be sure, if an organism has
nothing to eat, it starts to feed on itself like the sun, but such
organism won't last long. an organism cannot turn itself into energy
for long. it has to rely on other stuff to be its food.

is the mind or consciousness OF the body? or, is it OF the food?
traditionally, mankind spoke of mind and body. most folks saw the two
as separate thru much of human history. but, then science showed that
mind arises from the body. indeed, it is constantly arising from the
body. it is a continual process whereupon the body is transforming
into mind-matter. BUT, is it the body that is becoming mind-matter?
or, is it food that is becoming mind-matter? so, doesn't it suggest
that that in order to truly understand consciousness, we musn't talk
simply of body and mind, but body, mind, and foodstuff? consciousness
is the product of the body's processes but those processes would have
no meaning without the fuel. the very stuff of consciousness is
energy being used from the food.

think of a car again; it would be foolish to talk of car and car-
life(meaning car power). the body of the car doesn't produce car-
life. rather, car-life is the product of the gasoline used by the car-
body. without the fuel, there would no car-life. so, in order to talk
of car-body and car-life, we must take into account an element
independent of the car, which is the fuel. when we speak of humans,
we ignore the importance of food cuz we see food as being separate
from what we are. of course, we know that we need food to live and
all that. but, we still don't regard food as the essense of what we
are in terms of how we define ourselves. sure, we say stuff like 'we
are what we eat', but we mean it in a metaphorical sense. it means eat
healthy to be healthy. but, in a more literal sense we are what we
eat. this doesn't mean that if you eat an orange, you are an orange.
what it means is your life is the orange-turned-into-energy. it makes
the body function and it also is the material stuff of consciousness.

we may see food as beneath us in any discussion of the meaning of body
and mind. the human body is a supremely complex machine. and the mind
is the most complex thing we can think of. so, it sounds ridiculous to
consider carrots, potatoes, chicken, lettuce, etc as having anything
to do with the essence of what we are. but, the fact is no matter how
complex our bodies may be and what they are capable of, they requires
foodstuff to do any such. the mind that the body processes is,
literally, foodstuff tranformed into energy. so, our thoughts and
feelings are really energized bits and pieces of food we've eaten.
we think of OUR thoughts but our thoughts are not really ours in the
material sense. they are carrots, peas, and meat patternized into
consciousness.
in a way, one could say that foodstuff lives thru us. our bodies are
the servants or vessels thru which foodstuff turn into mind-material.
without us, food stuff would remain simple food stuff. but, thru our
bodies foodstuff turns into the most complex life material in the
universe. they turn into consciousness. even if a person is thinking
his own thoughts and feeling his feelings, they are not really his in
the materialist sense. he claims them as his own but they are made
from the stuff he's eaten; similarly, car may think its power is its
own power but its power is really gasoline turned into energy;
depending on its design, the car may gain greater power from gasoline
than another car, but still the very stuff of its power is the
gasoline, not of itself.
so, human feelings and thoughts are not really products of the person
but of the stuff that his body processed.
imagine a meat grinder. suppose it grinds meat and hamburger comes out
of the other side. it may say, 'this is my meat which i'm producing'
but in fact, he is merely processing meat that is not of itself. mr.
grinder is only the processor, not the producer of the meat. hamburger
has been processed OUT of the machine-body but it is not OF the
machine body.
similarly, mind has been processed THRU the human body but is not OF
the human body.
similarly, the power of the car is processed OUT or THRU the car-body
but is not OF the car-body. the essence of car's power is the fuel it
uses. or, one can argue that the fuel uses the car just as much as
the car uses the fuel. of course, one can argue that fuel or food has
no conscious will, so it makes no sense to speak of its desire or
priority.
after all, a person wants to eat food; food itself doesn't care one
way or another. but, this very desire to eat food is a product of life
force. and what is the essence of life force? it is the product of
food being processed into will-to-life. we want to eat but this
conscious desire on our part is the product of food-turned-into-mind.
so, in a way, it is food-into-mind that demands more food-to-turn-into-
mind. it's not so much that YOU want a hotdog but that your mind--
which is food-turned-into-mind--wants more food in order to keep mind-
energy going. even when it seems like YOUR thought, the very material
stuff of that thought is not OF your body but only processed THRU your
body. so, all your desires are really food-turned-into consciousness
which demands more food be consumed to keep the torch of consciousness
lit. it is essentially food-into-mind demanding that more food be
turned into mind. food-into-mind is selfish this way.

so, instead of speaking of body and mind, it makes more sense to speak
of food thru body into mind. we think we are using food to serve
ourselves but the food is 'using' us to become energy and be patterned
into consciousness. we think WE are conscious; but as the actual
material of consciousness is food-turned-into-energy, consciousness is
actually food-stuff-as-mind-energy. what we lay claim to as ours isn't
really ours. just as the running of the car is the power of the fuel
which the car is using or vice versa, consciousness is the power of
the food.
thru us, the matter of world is turned from solid 'dead' stuff to
conscious stuff. consciousness is the energy released thru our body.
thru, not by or of.
so, we are the vessel by which matter--food--turns into
consciousness. food doesn't become aware of this process but rather
allows us to be aware of it. still, the very thought and awareness
that we gain is, actually, food-turned-into-energy.
this energy is patterned and filtered thru the software of our brain
structure and chemistry but the very essence of this conscious energy
is the burning of the food-fuel. we take credit for our thoughts but
the real credit belongs to the food-fuel. life is the process by
which a certain machinery operates to turn other matter into energy
and consciousness. it's food-into-body-into-mind. we may ask, does
life serve itself or does it serve others? when we eat something, we
think we are doing for our benefit. and in a way, we are using the
food-material of other beings or stuff to maintain our life and
functions. but, the very essence of those functions is other stuff
turned into energy. so, in a way, our bodies are machines which exist
to turn other stuff into living/humming/buzzing life energy. suppose
there is a fried potato. by itself, it's just, a fried potato. BUT,
if it is consumed by other
--bacteria or humans--it turns into life
energy. indeed, that potatoe becomes the essence of the energy of the
organism that eats it. so, every organism is merely a vessel that,
while thinking is serving itself, is really serving to turn other
stuff into life-energy-stuff.
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