On Jul 12, 6:34Â am, ZerkonX
X.net> wrote:> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:34:30 -0700, death from above wrote:
>> love against hate
>
> You speak of humanity but outside actual human practice. Love and Hate
> are pure, human behavior and motivations are not so pure.
We are not talking of motivations but inner dynamics.
>
> Making a case that love is hate and hate is love is a very clever but at
> the same time voids meaning in both. Following your line of argument,
> courage is cowardice, Selfishness is selflessness and honor is shame.
>
> Or the classic:
>
> War is Peace
> Freedom IS slavery
> Ignorance Is Strength
No, you misunderstand. I didn't say love IS hate or vice versa. I said
love and hate serve and feed into one another.
if there's love and unity within a community, it will be stronger
against an enemy community.
or, if someone kills someone you love, you will hate that person.
there cannot be hate without love. and, there's no need for love
without hate. a mother needs to protect her young--and love bonds
her to it--because the world is so full of violence and hate. her
young needs loving attention and protection from a cruel world. if the
world wasn't so cruel, we wouldn't need love to take care of those we
care about.
so, i'm not sayin war IS peace, but war serves peace. indeed, long
peace is usually followed by great wars with decisive and crusing
victories. napoleonic wars led to 100 yrs of peace. WWII led to long
peace. WWI didn't lead to long peace because it didn't deliver a total
victory for the allies. Germany was still left standing; it hadn't
been invaded. but in WWII, it was TOTALLY beaten and so has behaved
since then.
>
> Here is your basic error, all too common these days:
>
>>"As most peoples thru history thought and fought in terms
>> of blood and soil....
>
> This is just not true. Most people, most of the time did not and do not
> fight. War and violence are a behavioral rarity that is why it is so easy
> to focus upon them even to the point of making history out of them.
most people don't fight because they are left on their own land. that
is blood and soil. if people feel secure in their land, they are more
likely to tolerate other peoples on other lands. but, when the rule of
'blood and soil' is violated, people fight for land, pussy, resources,
etc. so, when people's blood and soil are not violated, there is
general peace. but, when one 'blood and soil' comes into contact with
another 'blood and soil', there is often conflict. same is true of
animals. as long as animals stay in their own marked territory, they
usually don't fight. but, when the territories get messed up, they
fight.
american indians often fought because there were many tribes who often
fought for the same territory. for US to become a reality, white man
had to fight, conquer, and pacify the indians. it's white man's
victory that led to a peaceful and stable america. most of israel
proper is safe and secure and peaceful. but, when jews were driving
out palestinians in 1948, it was very violent.
