> On Aug 14, 10:07 pm, DuhIdiot windstream.net> wrote:

>> Alen, on 14 Aug 2008,
>>

>>> On Aug 13, 11:47 pm, DuhIdiot windstream.net> wrote:

>>>> Alen, on 13 Aug 2008, in alt.atheism

>>

>>>>>> ... intelligence and life are forms of chemical
>>>>>> activity. The dead, material universe contained plenty of that
>>>>>> before bits of it came to life.

>>

>>>>> There is no chemistry that fully explains the life and activity
>>>>> of living beings.

>>

>>>>> Alen

>>

>>>> Yet.

>>

>>>> And only if you mean that science hasn't fully elucidated all the
>>>> chemistry going on in the brain and some other biological
>>>> structures.

>>

>>> Are you 'supposing' that it can?

>>
>> Why not? It's an established pattern: go digging into something the
>> mystikooks say is all spooky and magical, and you find out it's just
>> mass-energy at play all the way down.
>>
>> Besides, we know for a fact that chemistry is involved in life and
>> intelligence. We have no reason to believe magic is involved in
>> anything, anywhere.
>>
>> You guys are big on "could be" and "can't be proven not to be".
>> Positive reasons to affirm? A shorter list by about 100%%.
>>

>>>> Meanwhile, no one has shown any good reason for thinking there's
>>>> anything going on other than atoms trading electrons.

>>

>>>> Believe in ghosts and hexes if you like, but don't pretend it's on
>>>> any basis other than emotion and faith.

>>

>>>> --
>>>> J. B. Mashburn, the sad left tail of the bell curve

>>

>>> Apparently it is much more sensible to believe that no
>>> principle of consciousness higher than coulomb potentials
>>> etc operate the physical organism, and that it is really
>>> only atoms and electrons that write letters home to their
>>> parents, etc. And I am supposed to actually live my
>>> conscious life on the basis of this kind of lunacy!?

>>

>>> Alen

>>
>> Am I supposed to give a shit about your opinions when your only
>> support is rants that could have come off a soap opera? I'm already
>> aware *that* you disbelieve. I'm still waiting for the first good
>> reason why.
>>
>> --
>> J. B. Mashburn,

>
> I do not intend to keep on for 1000 posts trying to answer every
> point made by all the atheists on these NGs and, in any case, I
> have said enough to show that belief in a Creator does not merit
> the cheap shot caricature often thrown at it.
>
> Since, however, everyone repeatedly harps on tangible evidence
> alone, I give the following as something for them to consider at
> the right time in the future:
>
> Although God doesn't normally give direct evidence of His
> existence, since this lessens the activity of the free will, there
> are occasions when He makes exceptions, and one of these is
> to be expected in the forseeable future. For those who are
> evidence-obsessed, I give the following, as given to the seers
> at Garabandal:
>
> There will be a direct, tangible intervention of God, and the
> circumstance in which this is to be expected is a dramatic
> return of Communism. This will spread throughout Europe,
> and elsewhere, supported by Russia, and the Christian church
> will be attacked. The revolution will penetrate into Italy (and
> Spain, I think), and it will appear that the Christian religion is
> about to disappear. At this time God will intervene directly with
> a great Warning to humanity. This will consist of a direct contact
> between the God and every human on the planet earth,
> irrespective of what they believe or don't believe, in which all
> will see, from God's viewpoint, the evil things they have done
> in their lives, and the good they have failed to do. This event
> will not physically harm anyone directly, but some people will
> be so shocked by the experience that they will die.
>
> Some time after this Warning, a great Miracle will occur, centered
> on the grove of the pines in Garabandal, and will be the greatest
> miracle Jesus has ever worked for the salvation of the world.
> A trace of this miracle will remain at the grove of the pines forever.
>
> If humanity does not listen to what they learn from the Warning
> and the Miracle, a great worldwide Chastisement will follow at
> some time in the future.
>
> To those atheists who always demand evidence I say: remember,
> when you see the beginning of a dramatic, international return of
> Communism, that it was told in advance, and then you will have the
> necessity to make yourself ready for a direct encounter with
> your Creator.
>