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The indeterminacy of number         


Author: John Jones
Date: Oct 9, 2007 14:35

Please count the asterix:

*

In order to ensure that I have not counted it twice, I remove the
asterix, thus:

Now I can compare the blank space with the asterix and say that the
difference is 'one'. But how can I be sure I have not counted the
blank space twice? Must I invent another mark to tack on to the blank
space?

We can conclude that numbers are indeterminate. We also cannot be sure
that the mathmatical symbol '1' (an audacity in itself) is properly
counted. It follows that the surety of mathematics is a grace it picks
up from human benevolence and need.
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Oct 9, 2007 14:48

On Oct 9, 2:35 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
> Please count the asterix:
>
> *
>
> In order to ensure that I have not counted it twice, I remove the
> asterix, thus:
>
> Now I can compare the blank space with the asterix and say that the
> difference is 'one'. But how can I be sure I have not counted the
> blank space twice? Must I invent another mark to tack on to the blank
> space?
>
> We can conclude that numbers are indeterminate. We also cannot be sure
> that the mathmatical symbol '1' (an audacity in itself) is properly
> counted. It follows that the surety of mathematics is a grace it picks
> up from human benevolence and need.
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: pico
Date: Oct 9, 2007 17:46

"John Jones" aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191965703.910281.74290@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> We can conclude that numbers are indeterminate. We also cannot be sure
> that the mathmatical symbol '1' (an audacity in itself) is properly
> counted.

Oh for god's sake. Get a day job.
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: brian fletcher
Date: Oct 10, 2007 03:04

"John Jones" aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191965703.910281.74290@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Please count the asterix:
>
> *
>
> In order to ensure that I have not counted it twice, I remove the
> asterix, thus:
>
>
>
> Now I can compare the blank space with the asterix and say that the
> difference is 'one'. But how can I be sure I have not counted the
> blank space twice? Must I invent another mark to tack on to the blank
> space?
>
> We can conclude that numbers are indeterminate. We also cannot be sure
> that the mathmatical symbol '1' (an audacity in itself) is properly
> counted. It follows that the surety of mathematics is a grace it picks
> up from human benevolence and need. ...
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: brian fletcher
Date: Oct 10, 2007 03:18

"Immortalist" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191966484.166816.69030@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 9, 2:35 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
>> Please count the asterix:
>>
>> *
>>
>> In order to ensure that I have not counted it twice, I remove the
>> asterix, thus:
>>
>> Now I can compare the blank space with the asterix and say that the
>> difference is 'one'. But how can I be sure I have not counted the
>> blank space twice? Must I invent another mark to tack on to the blank
>> space?
>>
>> We can conclude that numbers are indeterminate. We also cannot be sure
>> that the mathmatical symbol '1' (an audacity in itself) is properly
>> counted. It follows that the surety of mathematics is a grace it picks
>> up from human benevolence and need.
> ...
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Oct 10, 2007 04:23

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:04:54 +0000, brian fletcher wrote:
> 1 being assertive/masculine, and 2, passive/feminine.

.. and three a great party!
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Oct 10, 2007 04:26

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:35:03 -0700, John Jones wrote:
> Must I invent another mark to tack on to the blank
> space?

* - 1 ?
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Oct 10, 2007 23:27

On Oct 10, 3:18 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> "Immortalist" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191966484.166816.69030@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>> On Oct 9, 2:35 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
>>> Please count the asterix:
>
>>> *
>
>>> In order to ensure that I have not counted it twice, I remove the
>>> asterix, thus:
>
>>> Now I can compare the blank space with the asterix and say that the
>>> difference is 'one'. But how can I be sure I have not counted the
>>> blank space twice? Must I invent another mark to tack on to the blank
>>> space?
> ...
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: John Jones
Date: Oct 11, 2007 11:28

On Oct 9, 10:48?pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2:35 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> Please count the asterix:
>
>> *
>
>> In order to ensure that I have not counted it twice, I remove the
>> asterix, thus:
>
>> Now I can compare the blank space with the asterix and say that the
>> difference is 'one'. But how can I be sure I have not counted the
>> blank space twice? Must I invent another mark to tack on to the blank
>> space?
>
>> We can conclude that numbers are indeterminate. We also cannot be sure ...
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Re: The indeterminacy of number         


Author: John Jones
Date: Oct 14, 2007 10:16

On Oct 13, 8:33?pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In other words, mathematics cannot provide any reason why 7 and 5 make
>> 12. There can be no 'mathematical' reason, for is mathematics has its
>> own rationale, it cannot be represented simply because it is internal.
>> Kant is saying that the behaviour of mathematical objects is mimicing
>> physical objects.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Not what Kant was saying, he was just saying that the procedure is not
> a result of analytical nature of the number contained in that
> procedure, abstraction and sythesis are needed. (combnation &
> conception) From the text me pasted;
>
> "All mathematical judgments, without exception, are synthetic... ...We
> might, indeed, at first suppose that the proposition 7 & 5 = 12 is a
> merely analytic proposition, and follows by the principle of
> contradiction from the concept of a sum of 7 and 5. But if we look
> more closely we find that the concept of the sum of 7 and 5 contains
> nothing save the union of the two numbers into one, and in this no
> thought is being taken as to what that single number may be which
> combines both. ...
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