> On Sep 4, 11:40 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>> On Sep 5, 2:34 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>> On Sep 4, 11:22 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:

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>>>> On Sep 5, 2:04 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>> On Sep 4, 10:30 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:

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>>>>>> "Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational,
>>>>>> brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his
>>>>>> wn interests are involved - that about sums it up. I'm interested in
>>>>>> the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of
>>>>>> him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of
>>>>>> the nature of man is probably doomed to failure." - Stanley Kubrick

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>>>>>> This is such a great quote.

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>>>>>> Let us remember that:
>>>>>> "**ANY** attempt to create social institutions on a false view of the
>>>>>> nature of man is probably doomed to failure."

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>>>>>> And that includes other nations...

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>>>>>> And that we should be:
>>>>>> "interested in the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a
>>>>>> true picture of him."

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>>>>>> dot dot dot

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>>>>> If these behaviors are parts of our nature and there are other less
>>>>> violent parts of our nature why are some parts of our nature good and
>>>>> others bad?

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>>>> Why is there good and bad?

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>>>> There is good and bad because we're "conscious".

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>>> So we should build our society around the good and bad in man and
>>> woman in an honest way.

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>> The word "man" is a placeholder for "people".

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>> Honest is too subjective. None of us are "honest".

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>> We need law and order.

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> I agree and that is the idea behind checks and balances. Those times
> when some harm others and interfere with theory right to survive we
> need an independent process that takes human impulses out of the
> equation as much as possible.
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> "It is by balancing each of these powers against the other two, that
> the efforts in human nature toward tyranny can alone be checked and
> restrained, and any degree of freedom preserved in the Constitution."
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