On Sep 4, 11:40 pm, turtoni
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yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 4, 11:22 pm, turtoni
fastmail.net> wrote:>
>>> On Sep 5, 2:04 am, Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>>> On Sep 4, 10:30 pm, turtoni
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>>>>> "Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational,
>>>>> brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his
>>>>> wn interests are involved - that about sums it up. I'm interested in
>>>>> the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of
>>>>> him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of
>>>>> the nature of man is probably doomed to failure." - Stanley Kubrick
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>>>>> This is such a great quote.
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>>>>> Let us remember that:
>>>>> "**ANY** attempt to create social institutions on a false view of the
>>>>> nature of man is probably doomed to failure."
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>>>>> And that includes other nations...
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>>>>> And that we should be:
>>>>> "interested in the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a
>>>>> true picture of him."
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>>>>> dot dot dot
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>>>> If these behaviors are parts of our nature and there are other less
>>>> violent parts of our nature why are some parts of our nature good and
>>>> others bad?
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>>> Why is there good and bad?
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>>> There is good and bad because we're "conscious".
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>> So we should build our society around the good and bad in man and
>> woman in an honest way.
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> The word "man" is a placeholder for "people".
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> Honest is too subjective. None of us are "honest".
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> We need law and order.
I agree and that is the idea behind checks and balances. Those times
when some harm others and interfere with theory right to survive we
need an independent process that takes human impulses out of the
equation as much as possible.
"It is by balancing each of these powers against the other two, that
the efforts in human nature toward tyranny can alone be checked and
restrained, and any degree of freedom preserved in the Constitution."
--John Adams
