On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:33:55 -0700, Hamady wrote:

Knowledge and art are directly related to the knowledge and art of the
observer. You can only see and hear through which you see and hear.

If you think in terms of knowledge and art whatever you see can only be
knowledge and art. You will be blind to all other things that may be
there.

..are unknown or unexpected aspects. What was miraculous yesterday is not
today as those things that are today may not be tomorrow.

Human thought leads to a creator or rather an absolute beginning.
Religion has gods and judgment, science has numbers and laws even basic
reason has cause and common sense, all leading to the same thing so the
contention is really what form this absolute beginning has.

However, and this is a huge 'however' indeed, there is a ancient strain
in human thought (or belief or wisdom or religion or philosophy) that,
while not completely rejecting this notion of absolute beginning, refuses
to define it, or defines it as being undefinable. That all this absolute
beginning business is like a dog chasing it's own tail thinking it as
something other than just that, "it OWN tail".

There really is no good or reasonable argument for or against this
ancient turning modern position. This is, after all, it's point.