> On 6 Feb, 00:09, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:

>> You see, the trouble is some of you guys have your heads so thoroughly
>> mired in
>> out-dated and discredited Marxist muck that you don't realize that in
>> fact it is "the rich", i.e. businessmen and entrepreneurs, etc. who
>> are the primary engines of wealth creation. "Working people" as you
>> call them merely go along - and benefit - from the ride. Haven't you
>> noticed for example how much (physically) easier work has gotten?

>
> Yet again, you confuse capitalism with technology.

> On Feb 6, 4:32 am, 1Z yahoo.com> wrote:

>> On 6 Feb, 00:09, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:

>

>>> You see, the trouble is some of you guys have your heads so thoroughly
>>> mired in
>>> out-dated and discredited Marxist muck that you don't realize that in
>>> fact it is "the rich", i.e. businessmen and entrepreneurs, etc. who
>>> are the primary engines of wealth creation. "Working people" as you
>>> call them merely go along - and benefit - from the ride. Haven't you
>>> noticed for example how much (physically) easier work has gotten?

>>
>> Yet again, you confuse capitalism with technology.

>
> No, I'm not, but it's hard not to see the connection - both in the
> positive (what happens with it) and the negative (what happens without
> it).
>
> "Workers" are the same in any case. Open the factory door and they'll ...

>... It takes much much more than a simple minded profit-seeking businessman
> to make a business work successfully.

> Next you'll be suggesting that the terrorists hate all the wealth and
> freedom you guys have...

> On Feb 6, 4:32 am, 1Z yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>> On 6 Feb, 00:09, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:

>>> You see, the trouble is some of you guys have your heads so thoroughly
>>> mired in
>>> out-dated and discredited Marxist muck that you don't realize that in
>>> fact it is "the rich", i.e. businessmen and entrepreneurs, etc. who
>>> are the primary engines of wealth creation. "Working people" as you
>>> call them merely go along - and benefit - from the ride. Haven't you
>>> noticed for example how much (physically) easier work has gotten?

>

>> Yet again, you confuse capitalism with technology.

>
> No, I'm not, but it's hard not to see the connection - both in the
> positive (what happens with it) and the negative (what happens without
> it).
>
> "Workers" are the same in any case. Open the factory door and they'll
> trudge to it. What's different is: the profit-seeking businessman. ...

> On Feb 6, 8:15 am, "Sean" blah.com.au> wrote:
>

>>... It takes much much more than a simple minded profit-seeking
>>businessman
>> to make a business work successfully.

>
> Sure, something more than "simple minded". That's why, as you
> correctly point out, many fail.
>

> "Fred Weiss" papertig.com> wrote in message
>

>>>... It takes much much more than a simple minded profit-seeking
>>>businessman
>>> to make a business work successfully.

>

>> Sure, something more than "simple minded". That's why, as you
>> correctly point out, many fail.

>
> Sorry i meant "single-minded" as in one mainly focused on profit-seeking ,
> whilst there;s nothing wrong with that, it isn;t the be all and end of
> success, or a healthy business or economy.

> On Feb 6, 6:47 pm, "Sean" blah.com.au> wrote:

>> "Fred Weiss" papertig.com> wrote in message
>>

>>>>... It takes much much more than a simple minded profit-seeking
>>>>businessman
>>>> to make a business work successfully.

>>

>>> Sure, something more than "simple minded". That's why, as you
>>> correctly point out, many fail.

>>
>> Sorry i meant "single-minded" as in one mainly focused on profit-seeking
>> ,
>> whilst there;s nothing wrong with that, it isn;t the be all and end of
>> success, or a healthy business or economy.

>
> No, it isn't. But it should be the *primary* focus of any business.
> Because without a profit the business fails and its whole purpose for
> being ceases. ...

> "Fred Weiss" papertig.com> wrote in message

>> ... the *primary* focus of any business.
>> Because without a profit the business fails and its whole purpose for
>> being ceases.

>
> Have you never been to business school Fred?

> Have you ever heard about the
> notion that if a businesses primary concern is their customers' needs by
> providing the best "service" possible ... [ and service in all senses of
> that word, short and long term - assuming they are in business to remain in
> business ] then everything will pretty well look after itself, especially
> profits.

> On Feb 7, 1:13 am, "Sean" blah.com.au> wrote:

>> "Fred Weiss" papertig.com> wrote in message

>

>>> ... the *primary* focus of any business.
>>> Because without a profit the business fails and its whole purpose for
>>> being ceases.

>>
>> Have you never been to business school Fred?

>
> No, I confess. I was only a mere sales/marketing exec for 20 years and
> have run my own business for the last 10.
>

> "Fred Weiss" papertig.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fea92ac0-6efe-4764-93fa-a2e53ff519ce@m62g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>

>> On Feb 7, 1:13 am, "Sean" blah.com.au> wrote:

>>> "Fred Weiss" papertig.com> wrote in message

>

>>>> ... the *primary* focus of any business.
>>>> Because without a profit the business fails and its whole purpose for
>>>> being ceases.

>

>>> Have you never been to business school Fred?

>

>> No, I confess. I was only a mere sales/marketing exec for 20 years and
>> have run my own business for the last 10.

>
> Excellent, then you'd know the difference between advertising/brand image,
> and marketing then?
> ...