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Author: kevirwinkevirwin Date: Jan 31, 2008 12:23
On Jan 30, 9:36 am, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:> There's a virtual press blackout on what's going on with the economies
> of Eastern Europe. Clearly they'd rather not let the word get out how
> most of these countries have been reviving, even thriving, in the post-
> communist era.
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> So, it's a gradual process of picking up fascinating tidbits as
> reports leak out.
>
> For example, did you know that most of the former East European
> communist countries have adopted the flat tax? I had known about the
> Baltic states - Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania - and about the explosive
> economic growth rates they have experienced (hence their nickname of
> "The Baltic Tigers").
>
> But here's an interesting article about Hungary which has been
> stubbornly resisting the flax tax movement - and has been suffering
> competitively for it.
>
> "Compare Hungary with Slovakia. Hungary's northern neighbour has opted ...
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Author: SeanSean Date: Feb 1, 2008 05:37
"kevirwin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 30, 9:36 am, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:> There's a virtual press blackout on what's going on with the economies
> of Eastern Europe. Clearly they'd rather not let the word get out how
> most of these countries have been reviving, even thriving, in the post-
> communist era.
>
> So, it's a gradual process of picking up fascinating tidbits as
> reports leak out.
>
> For example, did you know that most of the former East European
> communist countries have adopted the flat tax? I had known about the
> Baltic states - Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania - and about the explosive
> economic growth rates they have experienced (hence their nickname of
> "The Baltic Tigers").
>
> But here's an interesting article about Hungary which has been
> stubbornly resisting the flax tax movement - and has been suffering
> competitively for it. ...
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Author: kevirwinkevirwin Date: Feb 1, 2008 09:48
On Feb 1, 8:37 am, "Sean" blah.com.au> wrote:> "kevirwin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Jan 30, 9:36 am, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:
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>>> There's a virtual press blackout on what's going on with the economies
>> of Eastern Europe. Clearly they'd rather not let the word get out how
>> most of these countries have been reviving, even thriving, in the post-
>> communist era.
>
>> So, it's a gradual process of picking up fascinating tidbits as
>> reports leak out.
>
>> For example, did you know that most of the former East European
>> communist countries have adopted the flat tax? I had known about the ...
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Feb 1, 2008 17:51
On Jan 31, 3:23 pm, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
> If the benefits of the "economic growth rate" are primarily enjoyed by
> the rich,....
But it isn't.
In fact the greatest beneficiaries of capitalism are the poor - and
not by a little. The benefit to them is almost incalculable.
(Not, btw, that I consider that the justification for capitalism but
it is important and often overlooked and therefore worth noting).
Fred Weiss
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Feb 3, 2008 11:32
On Feb 1, 12:48 pm, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
> Rich people are the aristocracy of the 21st century. They "spun" the
> tax issue in a way that would lead the middle and lower class middle-
> income people to think it was "fair" for one and all.
It isn't fair. The rich (and corporations) pay a vastly
disproportionate amount of the income taxes. I have cited the figures
several times before. If you want that disproportionately to continue
and even increase, the best way to do it is to *lower the taxes on the
rich*.
Of course, everyone's taxes should be lower - much, much lower. But
that can only be accomplished by huge cuts in gov't spending which
will have the added bonus of vastly increasing the wealth of the
country.
Fred Weiss
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 3, 2008 13:55
>> Rich people are the aristocracy of the 21st century. They "spun" the
>> tax issue in a way that would lead the middle and lower class middle-
>> income people to think it was "fair" for one and all.
>
> It isn't fair. The rich (and corporations) pay a vastly
> disproportionate amount of the income taxes.
Progressive taxation goes back to the ancient Greeks and, as
Montesquieu pointed out, is "fair though not proportionable."
Judging by the way your tax cuts for the rich party is going the way
of the Canadian Conservatives and the UK Tories, you'll never get on
at Hoover as a GOP shilltank economist.
The only way you're going to get a flat tax is to move to Eastern
Europe.
Prague is a beautiful city. I've seen photos on GoogleEarth.
Call 1-800-FLY-4-LESS and book the next one way flight to Prague.
Bret Cahill
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Feb 3, 2008 21:49
On Feb 3, 4:55 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>>> Rich people are the aristocracy of the 21st century. They "spun" the
>>> tax issue in a way that would lead the middle and lower class middle-
>>> income people to think it was "fair" for one and all.
>
>> It isn't fair. The rich (and corporations) pay a vastly
>> disproportionate amount of the income taxes.
>
> Progressive taxation goes back to the ancient Greeks...
So does slavery.
> The only way you're going to get a flat tax is to move to Eastern
> Europe.
>
> Prague is a beautiful city. I've seen photos on GoogleEarth.
>
> Call 1-800-FLY-4-LESS and book the next one way flight to Prague.
Oh, goody, are you now giving anyone who disagrees with you a choice
vs. Somalia?
Fred Weiss
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 3, 2008 22:03
>>>> Rich people are the aristocracy of the 21st century.
The proper term is "despotism" not aristocracy.
>>>> They "spun" the
>>>> tax issue in a way that would lead the middle and lower class middle-
>>>> income people to think it was "fair" for one and all.
>>> It isn't fair. The rich (and corporations) pay a vastly
>>> disproportionate amount of the income taxes.
>> Progressive taxation goes back to the ancient Greeks...
As Montesquieu pointed out, progressive taxation is "fair though not
proportionable."
. . .
Judging by the way your tax cuts for the rich party is going the way
of the Canadian Conservatives and the UK Tories, you'll never get on
at Hoover as a GOP shilltank economist.
>> The only way you're going to get a flat tax is to move to Eastern
>> Europe.
>> Prague is a beautiful city. �I've seen photos on GoogleEarth.
>> Call 1-800-FLY-4-LESS and book the next one way flight to Prague.
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Author: SeanSean Date: Feb 3, 2008 22:16
> On Feb 1, 12:48 pm, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Rich people are the aristocracy of the 21st century. They "spun" the
>> tax issue in a way that would lead the middle and lower class middle-
>> income people to think it was "fair" for one and all.
>
> It isn't fair. The rich (and corporations) pay a vastly
> disproportionate amount of the income taxes.
I wasn't aware of anywhere that "corporations" paid "income taxes". I
thought they paid Company Taxes?
A corporate CEO might pay "income taxes" but his Company does not.
There is also a lot of manipulation in tax stats. eg here most Company
Dividends are paid as "fully franked" ... that means that the Company has
paid Taxes ... and these Net profits are deemed as already being applied for
Taxes .
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Feb 4, 2008 07:06
On Feb 4, 1:03 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> Somalia must be the best place of all! They have no taxes at all!
I assume they have tributes to warlords which is equivalent.
Fred Weiss
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