> On Sep 27, 11:24 am, zinnic
gate.net> wrote:>> On Sep 27, 10:13 am, "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote:
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>>>>> "zinnic"
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>>>> On Sep 26, 9:48 pm, "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote:>>>>> "zinnic"
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>>>>>news:1190824106.753237.80090@
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>>>>>26,
>>>>> 10:10 am, "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote:>>>>>> .> One I would describe as a 'spiritual' approach where "I" take
>>>>>>> responsibility, and the other , a biological modification, where
>>>>>>> "I"
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> little impact.
>>
>>>>>>> In short, 'spiritual' involves the development of an awareness of
>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>> involvment in one's own growth.
>>
>>>>>> I believe, along with Daniel C.Dennett, that attitudinal change
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> all forms of external stimuli is mediated by a 'brain crane'
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than by your spiritual 'sky hook'.
>>>>>> Z
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>>>>> Who believed that first, you or DCD...
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>>>>> BOfL
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>>>> In this context, I learned the terms 'brain crane' and 'sky hooks'
>>>> from Dennett.
>>>> I believe that my belief that knowledge is obtained by an a
>>>> posteriori process was obtained a posteriori. I have yet to be
>>>> convinced that knowledge may be obtained a priori (sky hooks,
>>>> revelation etc).
>>
>>>> The above is a 'wild stab' at addressing whatever obtuse point you
>>>> are
>>>> trying to make. Let me know if I am anywhere near the mark!
>>>> Zinnic
>>
>>> Believers are 'wild stabbers" mor or less, and dont yet realize that a
>>> belief is a mental construct, that can actually block out even the
>>> possibility of "knowing".
>>
>> Your "knowing" in the absence of a mental construct is asno more
>> irrational as the religious revelation of a fundamentalist. A 'sky
>> hook' pure and simple.
>> Give me an example of a "knowing" that is not a mental construct.
>> Though you will have one has to be "out-of-your mind' to do so, be my
>> guest, I will try to use non-mental 'radar' to understand!.
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>>> The ultimate "epiphany" (using a belief term you seem to use), is to
>>> realize
>>> "I" and belief is an oxymoron.
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>>> Not obscure, a simple statement.
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>>> Look foward to how you wrestle and wriggle with such a statement.
>>
>> I do not "wrestle' with such statements. They go into my
>> 'meaningless' file.
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>>> To underline my constant point, you will never know if you believe you
>>> can't.(The use of the word "we" is the common noun on this
>>> subject...also an
>>> oxymoron when conjopined with "I".
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>> Obfuscation in the guise of profundity! Your constant point indeed!
>> Have a G'Day
>> Zinnic
>>
>>
> Apologies for my poor editing of previous post. Hope you get my gist
> better than I get yours!!
;-)......I'm more than happy with mine! A nice thought though.
BOfL
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