On Sep 27, 11:24 am, zinnic
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>>> "zinnic"
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>>> On Sep 26, 9:48 pm, "brian fletcher"
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>>>>> .> One I would describe as a 'spiritual' approach where "I" take
>>>>>> responsibility, and the other , a biological modification, where "I"
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>>>>>> little impact.
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>>>>>> In short, 'spiritual' involves the development of an awareness of ones
>>>>>> involvment in one's own growth.
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>>>>> I believe, along with Daniel C.Dennett, that attitudinal change to
>>>>> all forms of external stimuli is mediated by a 'brain crane' rather
>>>>> than by your spiritual 'sky hook'.
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>>>> Who believed that first, you or DCD...
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>>>> BOfL
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>>> In this context, I learned the terms 'brain crane' and 'sky hooks'
>>> from Dennett.
>>> I believe that my belief that knowledge is obtained by an a
>>> posteriori process was obtained a posteriori. I have yet to be
>>> convinced that knowledge may be obtained a priori (sky hooks,
>>> revelation etc).
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>>> The above is a 'wild stab' at addressing whatever obtuse point you are
>>> trying to make. Let me know if I am anywhere near the mark!
>>> Zinnic
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>> Believers are 'wild stabbers" mor or less, and dont yet realize that a
>> belief is a mental construct, that can actually block out even the
>> possibility of "knowing".
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> Your "knowing" in the absence of a mental construct is asno more
> irrational as the religious revelation of a fundamentalist. A 'sky
> hook' pure and simple.
> Give me an example of a "knowing" that is not a mental construct.
> Though you will have one has to be "out-of-your mind' to do so, be my
> guest, I will try to use non-mental 'radar' to understand!.
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>> The ultimate "epiphany" (using a belief term you seem to use), is to realize
>> "I" and belief is an oxymoron.
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>> Not obscure, a simple statement.
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>> Look foward to how you wrestle and wriggle with such a statement.
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> I do not "wrestle' with such statements. They go into my
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>> To underline my constant point, you will never know if you believe you
>> can't.(The use of the word "we" is the common noun on this subject...also an
>> oxymoron when conjopined with "I".
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> Obfuscation in the guise of profundity! Your constant point indeed!
> Have a G'Day
> Zinnic
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Apologies for my poor editing of previous post. Hope you get my gist
better than I get yours!!
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