>
> "Wordsmith" rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179943865.288046.194380@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> On May 22, 11:17 pm, "Raktizer Omheit" iprimus.com.au> wrote:

>>> The theory which claims that the universe began with the Big Bang
>>> explosion
>>> some 20 billion years ago has been taken as proof by some theologians
>>> for
>>> the existence of God as a necessary cause for that explosion in the
>>> first
>>> place, i.e. the argument which is known as the First Cause, Prime Mover,
>>> or
>>> Cosmological Argument. Such theologians argue that the primordial matter
>>> which the Big Bang erupted from could not have created or caused itself
>>> to
>>> exist from the nothingness of outer space or the universe, unless God by
>>> means of a miracle caused this to happen.
>>>
>>> In ancient, pagan or polytheist Greece, Aristotle came up with the
>>> philosophical concept of the "uncaused cause," or Supreme Being, as the
>>> explanation for the origin and cause of the Universe, which centuries
>>> later
>>> the Catholic Scholastic theologian Saint Thomas Aquinas refereed to as
>>> "The
>>> First Cause" or "Prime Mover," i.e. God Himself. Today, with the latest
>>> discoveries and refinements in the realms of the 11-dimensional String
>>> Theory, the 4-dimensional Special and General Theories of Relativity,
>>> Quantum Physics, and Thermodynamics, it is argued that the primordial
>>> matter
>>> out of which the Big Bang erupted from could indeed have been created
>>> out of
>>> the nothingness of outer space, i.e. from Fluctuating Vacuum Energy to
>>> use
>>> the scientific term. Particle accelerator experiments around the world
>>> everyday prove that matter can be created from energy and vice versa. It
>>> is
>>> also said that time itself began with the Big Bang, and that before the
>>> Big
>>> Bang there was no time, and that it is therefore scientifically and
>>> hence
>>> logically meaningless to speculate about the cause of the Big Bang in
>>> the
>>> first place.
>>>
>>> If the oscillating theory or Big Crunch theory for the Universe proves
>>> to be
>>> true, i.e. that there is so much dark matter out there that eventually
>>> the
>>> universe will stop expanding and begin contracting back into the
>>> primordial
>>> matter it originally came from, only to be followed by another Big Bang
>>> infinitum, one still has to wonder how many Big Bangs and Big Crunches
>>> there
>>> have been so far? If there have been let's say 1 million Big Bangs and
>>> Big
>>> Crunches so far, what was there before the first Big Bang in the series
>>> of 1
>>> million? According to the latest scientific discoveries, the expansion
>>> of
>>> the Universe is currently accelerating due to dark energy, and that the
>>> end
>>> result of this process if it continues forever is a dark, cold, lifeless
>>> universe many billions of years from now, at least for this Universe,
>>> and
>>> this four-dimensional space-time.
>>>
>>> There are estimated to be more than 200 billion billion stars [ i.e.
>>> suns ]
>>> in the Universe, of which our Sun is just a tiny miniscule of a
>>> percentage
>>> of. Many of these distant stars or suns probably have solar systems with
>>> planets revolving around them, like our own solar system, and many of
>>> these
>>> planets probably have highly advanced, civilized, and intelligent life
>>> forms
>>> like planet earth. Many of these extra-solar planets probably also have
>>> had
>>> histories with multiple comet and asteroid strikes, and also
>>> supervolcanic
>>> eruptions from time to time, followed by periods of mass extinctions of
>>> the
>>> species living there, just like planet Earth has had.
>>>
>>> If one day a particle accelerator of sufficient length and power is
>>> built,
>>> the existence of tachyons, i.e. subatomic particles which can travel
>>> faster
>>> than the speed-of-light, or at superluminal speeds in other words, might
>>> be
>>> confirmed. It is speculated that the subatomic particles known as Higgs
>>> Bosons would indeed turn out to be tachyons if they could be accelerated
>>> beyond the speed-of-light. The cancelled 1993 SuperConducting Super
>>> Collider
>>> or SSC particle accelerator project in Waxahachie, Texas, U.S.A., with
>>> the
>>> ability to collide subatomic particles to the total energy level of 20
>>> trillion electron volts, would have confirmed the existence of Higgs
>>> Bosons,
>>> which are speculated to be the basic building blocks of mass, and to be
>>> the
>>> cousins of the so far unconfirmed graviton particle. The largest
>>> particle
>>> accelerator in being built today is the European Union owned Large
>>> Hadron
>>> Collider or LHC in Switzerland, which will only have the ability to
>>> accelerate subatomic particles to the total energy level of 7 trillion
>>> electron volts.
>>>
>>> Because of the vastness of intergalactic space, some stars [ i.e suns
>>> and/or
>>> solar systems ] and galaxies are so far away from planet Earth that the
>>> light they send out may take thousands or even millions of years to
>>> reach
>>> us, and in effect are shown as they were in the past. If millions of
>>> highly
>>> intelligent, dominant species from millions of planets have indeed
>>> perfected
>>> the technology of space travel at speeds faster than that of light, by
>>> means
>>> of the use of accelerated Higgs Bosons or Tachyons in other words, they
>>> may
>>> very well have surreptitiously visited and influenced the human species
>>> a
>>> countless number of times in the past. Their ability to hide themselves
>>> from
>>> detection by means of human technology by the use of their own much more
>>> advanced technology would at this stage be mind boggling for the human
>>> species. The vehicles used by the Cherubim angels of God to visit the
>>> prophet Ezekiel, as shown in the Book of Ezekiel chapters 1, 3, and 9 to
>>> 10
>>> [ The New King James Version of the Bible ], do resemble a U.F.O.
>>> spacecraft
>>> in many ways.
>>>
>>> If the monotheist God of Judaism, ancient Persian-Iranian-Elamite
>>> Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Islam exists, one would also have to
>>> speculate that Jesus Christ may have visited millions of planets for His
>>> "First" Coming, been crucified, resurrected from the dead, and ascended
>>> back
>>> to Heaven millions of times, and returned for His "Second" Coming
>>> millions
>>> of times. One would also have to speculate that there are millions of
>>> Satans, along with their following of millions of fallen angels, for
>>> millions of planets, and that the Archangel Michael has had to do battle
>>> millions of times, or that he has millions of loyal archangels like him.
>>> See
>>> Revelation 12 : 7 - 10. Of course, if the human species of planet Earth
>>> survives long enough to develop commercially feasible hydrogen energy
>>> and
>>> the related nuclear fusion technology, along with the ability to design
>>> and
>>> develop spacecraft which can successfully travel faster than the
>>> speed-of-light or at superluminal speeds by means of accelerated Higgs
>>> Bosons or Tachyons, then the end of the world prophecies of Jesus
>>> Christ,
>>> Daniel, Isaiah, Joel, Ezekiel, St. Paul, and the New Testament Book of
>>> Revelation might turn out to be false. If the end of the world
>>> prophecies of
>>> these above mentioned sources proves to be true, then there still might
>>> be a
>>> place for the microgravity or Materials Processing in Space [ MPS ]
>>> experiments for electronics, metallurgy, pharmaceuticals, and biology on
>>> board the International Space Station [ ISS ], as well as a place for
>>> Genesis 1, Pslam 148, Psalm 104, Isaiah 11 : 6 - 9, Ezekiel 47 : 1 - 12,
>>> Revelation 22 : 1 - 2, Ezekiel 1 : 22, Revelation 4 : 6, Mark 6 : 30 -
>>> 56,
>>> and Revelation 12 : 7 - 10 [ The New King James Version of the Bible ].
>>>
>>> As for the energy crisis of the U.S.A., it must be noted that from
>>> October
>>> 1973-March 1974, when the Arab oil embargo was on and when Egypt, Syria,
>>> Iraq, Libya, and southern Yemen or Yemen Aden were pro-Soviet, some 12%%
>>> of
>>> the oil consumed in the U.S.A. came from the Middle East [ i.e. Turkey,
>>> Cyprus, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Egypt,
>>> Saudi
>>> Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, The United Arab Emirates, Oman, and Yemen ]. In
>>> 2004, some 15%% of the oil consumed in the U.S.A. came from the Middle
>>> East,
>>> whereas the figure for China was 55%%, and growing. Today, the biggest
>>> potential enemies for the U.S.A. are Iran, Syria, China, and Russia. The
>>> U.S.A. has military bases and spy bases in Greenland, The United Kingdom
>>> [
>>> which itself has bases in Gibraltar and Cyprus ], Germany, Italy, Spain,
>>> Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Djibouti, the
>>> British Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia, Australia [ Pine Gap ],
>>> Guam,
>>> Kwajalein, Japan, South Korea, Alaska, Hawaii, and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
>>> The
>>> sources of U.S. oil outside of the Middle East are the U.S.A., Canada,
>>> Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, Trinidad and Tobago, Ecuador, Peru,
>>> Bolivia,
>>> The United Kingdom, Norway, the former republics of the Soviet Union,
>>> Nigeria, Gabon, Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Chad, Sudan, Algeria, and
>>> Libya.
>>> Theoretically speaking, the U.S.A. could be self-sufficient in its oil
>>> supplies by obtaining oil from its domestic deposits of oil shale rock,
>>> bituminous tar sands, and coal, but the current technology in obtaining
>>> oil
>>> from these sources is still too expensive compared to the alternatives.
>>> Although autogas, also known as LPG [ Liquified Petroleum Gas ], LNG [
>>> Liquified Natural Gas ], and CNG [ Compressed Natural Gas ] is cleaner
>>> and
>>> in some places cheaper than petroleum, natural gas deposits are usually
>>> found near petroleum deposits, and is therefore ultimately a
>>> non-renewable
>>> fossil fuel.
>>>
>>> The concept of predestination in theology oddly has its counterpart in
>>> new
>>> insights concerning studies involving the issue of genetic
>>> predispositions
>>> in family histories ad the case histories of repeat offenders or
>>> habitual
>>> criminals who get caught, as opposed to the highly intelligent
>>> sociopaths
>>> who use Machiavellian intelligence which enables them to usually get
>>> away
>>> with their acts of evil and omissions of good deeds. Of course
>>> predestination itself is a problematic concept for theologians because
>>> God
>>> is argued to be the one who makes people good, whereas it is Satan who
>>> tempts people to commit acts of evil, or to avoid committing acts of
>>> good.
>>> In addition, according to I Timothy 2 : 1 - 4, II Peter 3 : 9, Jeremiah
>>> 18,
>>> and II Timothy 3 : 16, God wants everyone to be saved, people can choose
>>> their destiny, and all of the Bile is inspired by God, and therefore
>>> this
>>> implies that free will exists, although God is presumed to know ahead of
>>> time what people will choose. With the sciences of heredity or genetics,
>>> and
>>> evolution, the need for the existence of God in order to make people
>>> good,
>>> and the existence of Satan to tempt people into committing acts of evil
>>> and
>>> avoiding acts of good, is rendered unneccessary. It can still be argued
>>> that
>>> religion serves its purpose in keeping many people from following an
>>> evil
>>> way of life by means of the fear produced by eternal damnation, if their
>>> consciences are not strong enough to make them revolted by the acts of
>>> evil,
>>> and the omissions of evil.
>>>
>>> The truthfulness of the Bible has also been called into question with
>>> the
>>> theory of evolution as first brought to large scale attention with
>>> Charles
>>> Darwin, at least as regards a literal interpretation of the Creation
>>> story
>>> as put forth in the Book of Genesis. Also, new archaeological,
>>> historiographical, paleographical and DNA testing discoveries are
>>> challenging, modifying, and sometimes even discarding a literal
>>> interpretation of the Bible quite frequently within academic circles.
>>>
>>> Maybe the nihilists are right, and there is no meaning and purpose in
>>> the
>>> universe. Maybe the universe was created out of nothingness, and maybe
>>> the
>>> Fluctuating Vacuum Energy theory, as so often demonstrated in particle
>>> accelerator experiments, is right. Maybe that nihilistic, absurdist moan
>>> of
>>> despair as uttered by William Shakespeare's character Macbeth that
>>> "Life,
>>> tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying
>>> nothing," is
>>> correct. Personally, my common sense and gut feeling tells me that this
>>> is
>>> just too absurd and too unscientific to be true, and that energy could
>>> not
>>> have come from a vacuum or nothingness, unless God made this to happen
>>> by
>>> means of the miracle, i.e. by supernatural divine intervention outside
>>> of
>>> the currently known laws of physics, which, ironically, did not apply
>>> with
>>> the primordial ball of energy and matter out of which the Big Bang
>>> erupted
>>> from in the first place. This is what I believe in my hearts of hearts,
>>> although even I have doubts from time to time, and will probably have so
>>> while my soul remains in my living body. I however will place my bet on
>>> the
>>> probability that God exists, which for me is a higher probability than
>>> God
>>> not existing.

>>
>> 'Scuse me, but "...primordial matter out of which the Big Bang
>> erupted"??? I don't follow. That primordial matter you speak of had to
>> have existed in some type of matrix, time and space, that is. Before
>> the BB time and space did not exist, so your premise has no reasoning
>> to back it up. Try again.
>>
>> W : )
>>

> Wordsmith, why should I do that, when you have already done it for me.
> Besides, according to the Fluctuating Vacuum Energy theory, terms by the
> way which my kind did not invent and have no desire to own in the first
> place, matter can be created spontaneously out of nothing, as the new
> particles of very powerful atom smashers or particle accelerators show.
> That is one of the reasons why the SuperConducting Super Collider or SSC
> particle accelerator project at Waxahachie, Texas, was abandoned in 1993,
> because with its 20 trillion electron volt energy, it would have the power
> to prove the existence of Higgs Bosons, which have been mathematically
> shown to become Tachyons when accelerated at infinite velocity. In other
> words, Tachyons can travel faster-than-the-speed of light, or at
> superluminal speeds in other words, and thereby intergalactic space travel
> is theoretically possible. The largest particle accelerator on planet
> Earth being built at this time is Large Hadron Collider or LHC in
> Switzerland, which is owned by the European Union, and which only has the
> power to accelerate subatomic particles to the energy level of 7 trillion
> electron volts, which is far less than the 20 trillion electron volts
> which the SSC would have produced. The Universe has some 200 illion [
> SHOULD READ BILLION ] billion stars [ i.e. suns ], and many of these suns
> probably have earthlike planets revolving around them in their solar
> systems. These earthlike planets may have advanced civilizations which
> have found how to bulid spacecraft which have the ability to travel faster
> than the speed of light, and which have found out how to make hydrogen
> energy and nuclear fusion commercially feasible. The vehicles used by the
> Cherubim angels of Ezekiel chapters 1, 3, and 9-10 do look like spacecraft
> in many ways, especially when The New King James Version of the Bible is
> used as a reference. Is it not strange how people can believe in the
> existence of angels, but not in U.F.O's and Quantum Physics? The American
> National Security Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, Central
> Intelligence Agency, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation is right in
> surmising that humanity will not be ready to acceot [ SHOULD READ ACCEPT ]
> the existence of Extraterrestrials for many centuries more at the very
> least.
>