On Apr 20, 2:33Â am, turtoni
fastmail.net> wrote:> On Apr 20, 2:24Â am, Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> "Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational,
>>> brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his
>>> own interests are involved - that about sums it up. I'm interested in
>>> the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of
>>> him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of
>>> the nature of man is probably doomed to failure." - stan
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>> From one extreme to the other, with no middle ground, like an
>> adaptable creature, ready to be accented for war, peace or all points
>> inbetween.
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>> Conditioning - An Experiment: You may be getting annoyed at how
>> Skinner could deny something that is so obvious to you—that you are
>> free and in control of your actions. But before you make up your mind,
>> try this experiment in conditioning. Your teacher is your subject.
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>> According to Skinner's theory, our behavior is determined by what is
>> in our environment and whether that makes us feel pleasure. Our
>> behavior is further shaped by the consequences that follow our
>> actions. If we perform an action and then something we like happens
>> (positive reinforcement), we will repeat what we've done. If we
>> perform an action and then something we do not like happens (negative
>> reinforcement), we won't repeat what we've done.
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>> To see how this works, you might try to condition one of your
>> instructors to act in a certain way, without him or her knowing it.
>> Here's what you do. First, explain what you're doing to as many people
>> in the class as you can. Second, pick the behavior that you want to
>> reinforce—walking back and forth, standing in a particular spot,
>> gesturing to the class with a piece of chalk, or whatever. The object
>> of the game is to administer positive reinforcement every time your
>> instructor performs the behavior you have chosen. Look interested, nod
>> your head, ask questions, take notes. When he or she stops the
>> behavior, go to negative reinforcement. Look bored, act confused,
>> shuffle your feet, look at your watch, stare out the window. When your
>> teacher goes back to the chosen behavior, respond positively again.
>> After a while, you should find your teacher doing the behavior you
>> selected most of the time. (One class took "being near the radiator"
>> as the behavior they wanted to reinforce. By the end of the semester,
>> their instructor was so well conditioned that he simply sat on the
>> radiator throughout each class.)
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>> If you do this right, and have not been too obvious about it, you will
>> see that you have controlled someone's behavior without that person's
>> knowledge. You will have conditioned your instructor to act in a
>> certain way because she or he wants the positive feeling that comes
>> with the interest you show.
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>> In the 1890s, Pavlov was investigating the gastric function of dogs by
>> externalizing a salivary gland so he could collect, measure and
>> analyze the saliva and what response it had to food under different
>> conditions. He noticed that the dogs tended to salivate before food
>> coated with chili powder was actually delivered to their mouths, and
>> set out to investigate this "psychic secretion", as he called it. He
>> decided that this was more interesting than the chemistry of saliva,
>> and changed the focus of his research, carrying out a long series of
>> experiments in which he manipulated the stimuli occurring before the
>> presentation of food. He thereby established the basic laws for the
>> establishment and extinction of what he called "conditional reflexes"
>> — i.e., reflex responses, like salivation, that only occurred
>> conditionally upon specific previous experiences of the animal.
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>> ...Sometimes I'm sexy, move like a stud
>> Kicking the stall all night
>> Sometimes I'm so shy, got to be worked on
>> Don't have no [bark or bite]
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>> Yeah when you call my name
>> I [salivate] like a [Pavlov dog]
>> Yeah when you lay me out
>> My heart starts beating like a big bass drum
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>>> HTH.
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>>> A Clockwork Orange
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>>> Plot summary
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>> 'Clockwork Orange' is the name of the secret British security services
>> project which was alleged to have involved a right-wing smear campaign
>> against British politicians in the 1970s.
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>> The project was undertaken by members of the British intelligence
>> services and the British Army press office in Northern Ireland, whose
>> job also included routine public relations work and placing
>> disinformation stories in the press, as part of a psychological
>> warfare operation against paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland.
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>> The text you copied left out one of the best parts;
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>> Anthony Burgess wrote that the title was a reference to an alleged old
>> Cockney expression "as queer as a clockwork orange". Due to his time
>> serving in the British Colonial Office in Malaysia, Burgess thought
>> that the phrase could be used punningly to refer to a mechanically
>> responsive (clockwork) human (orang, Malay for "man").
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>> Burgess wrote in his later (Nov. 1986) introduction, titled A
>> Clockwork Orange Resucked, that a creature who can only perform good
>> or evil is "a clockwork orange — meaning that he has the appearance of
>> an organism lovely with color and juice, but is in fact only a
>> clockwork toy to be wound up by God or the Devil; or the almighty
>> state."
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>> In his essay "Clockwork Oranges"², Burgess asserts that "this title
>> would be appropriate for a story about the application of Pavlovian,
>> or mechanical, laws to an organism which, like a fruit, was capable of
>> colour and sweetness". This title alludes to the protagonist's
>> positively conditioned responses to feelings of evil which prevent the
>> exercise of his free will.
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> yes i fully understood my concessions.. and provided a link to the
> full article, your honor ;-)
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> obviously all very complex and subjective.
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> seems all very catch22 wouldn't you say?
and when i said concession i'm referring to nodding somewhat towards
the john jones there is no "illness" philosophy. the "positively
conditioned responses to feelings of evil which prevent the exercise
of his free will" which i think he's inadvertently referring too.
