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Author: TruthSlaveTruthSlave Date: Apr 19, 2008 16:16
B.F.Skinner Behavioral Psychologist
The interest of the behaviorist in man's doings is more than the interest of the
spectator - he wants to control man's reactions as physical scientists want to
control and manipulate other natural phenomena. It is the business of behaviorist
psychology to be able to predict and to control human activity. Watson says, "Why
do people behave as they do - how can I, as a behaviorist, working in the interests
of science, get individuals to behave differently today from the way they acted
yesterday? How far can we modify behavior by training (conditioning)? These are
some of the major problems of behaviorist psychology."
As should be obvious to the reader that "behavioral psychology" has nothing to do
with psychology per se, and all to do with managing behavior. It denies the very
thing which separates Man from the rest of the animal kingdom - the human mind.
It is a soulless pursuit which sees Man as an animal who must adapt to the
environment, that is, the social system and political regime, rather than adapting
the environment to his own vision and will. In this regard the subject has embraced
by governments all over the world, as hopefully it would supply them with an
effective way to finally get the public to finally behave as they desire. It hasn't
exactly worked out that way, but that hasn't stopped them from continuing to try.
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Author: Angus RodgersAngus Rodgers Date: Apr 19, 2008 19:35
(Old joke:)
Two behaviourists meet at a conference.
"How am I?"
"You're fine. How am I?"
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Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Apr 19, 2008 19:38
On Apr 19, 4:16 pm, TruthSlave home.com> wrote:> B.F.Skinner Behavioral Psychologist
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> The interest of the behaviorist in man's doings is more than the interest of the
> spectator - he wants to control man's reactions as physical scientists want to
> control and manipulate other natural phenomena. It is the business of behaviorist
> psychology to be able to predict and to control human activity. Watson says, "Why
> do people behave as they do - how can I, as a behaviorist, working in the interests
> of science, get individuals to behave differently today from the way they acted
> yesterday? How far can we modify behavior by training (conditioning)? These are
> some of the major problems of behaviorist psychology."
>
> As should be obvious to the reader that "behavioral psychology" has nothing to do
> with psychology per se, and all to do with managing behavior. It denies the very
> thing which separates Man from the rest of the animal kingdom - the human mind.
> It is a soulless pursuit which sees Man as an animal who must adapt to the
> environment, that is, the social system and political regime, rather than adapting
> the environment to his own vision and will. In this regard the subject has embraced
> by governments all over the world, as hopefully it would supply them with an
> effective way to finally get the public to finally behave as they desire. It hasn't ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 19, 2008 22:30
On Apr 19, 7:16 pm, TruthSlave home.com> wrote:> B.F.Skinner Behavioral Psychologist
>
> The interest of the behaviorist in man's doings is more than the interest of the
> spectator - he wants to control man's reactions as physical scientists want to
> control and manipulate other natural phenomena. It is the business of behaviorist
> psychology to be able to predict and to control human activity. Watson says, "Why
> do people behave as they do - how can I, as a behaviorist, working in the interests
> of science, get individuals to behave differently today from the way they acted
> yesterday? How far can we modify behavior by training (conditioning)? These are
> some of the major problems of behaviorist psychology."
>
> As should be obvious to the reader that "behavioral psychology" has nothing to do
> with psychology per se, and all to do with managing behavior. It denies the very
> thing which separates Man from the rest of the animal kingdom - the human mind.
> It is a soulless pursuit which sees Man as an animal who must adapt to the
> environment, that is, the social system and political regime, rather than adapting
> the environment to his own vision and will. In this regard the subject has embraced
> by governments all over the world, as hopefully it would supply them with an
> effective way to finally get the public to finally behave as they desire. It hasn't ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Apr 19, 2008 23:24
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> "Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational,
> brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his
> own interests are involved - that about sums it up. I'm interested in
> the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of
> him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of
> the nature of man is probably doomed to failure." - stan
>
From one extreme to the other, with no middle ground, like an
adaptable creature, ready to be accented for war, peace or all points
inbetween.
Conditioning - An Experiment: You may be getting annoyed at how
Skinner could deny something that is so obvious to you—that you are
free and in control of your actions. But before you make up your mind,
try this experiment in conditioning. Your teacher is your subject.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 19, 2008 23:33
On Apr 20, 2:24 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>
>> "Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational,
>> brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his
>> own interests are involved - that about sums it up. I'm interested in
>> the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of
>> him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of
>> the nature of man is probably doomed to failure." - stan
>
> From one extreme to the other, with no middle ground, like an
> adaptable creature, ready to be accented for war, peace or all points
> inbetween.
>
> Conditioning - An Experiment: You may be getting annoyed at how
> Skinner could deny something that is so obvious to you—that you are
> free and in control of your actions. But before you make up your mind,
> try this experiment in conditioning. Your teacher is your subject.
>
> According to Skinner's theory, our behavior is determined by what is ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 19, 2008 23:43
On Apr 20, 2:33 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Apr 20, 2:24 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> "Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational,
>>> brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his
>>> own interests are involved - that about sums it up. I'm interested in
>>> the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of
>>> him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of
>>> the nature of man is probably doomed to failure." - stan
>
>> From one extreme to the other, with no middle ground, like an
>> adaptable creature, ready to be accented for war, peace or all points
>> inbetween.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Apr 19, 2008 23:52
On Apr 19, 11:33 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Apr 20, 2:24 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> "Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational,
>>> brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his
>>> own interests are involved - that about sums it up. I'm interested in
>>> the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of
>>> him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of
>>> the nature of man is probably doomed to failure." - stan
>
>> From one extreme to the other, with no middle ground, like an
>> adaptable creature, ready to be accented for war, peace or all points
>> inbetween.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 20, 2008 00:01
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Author: TruthSlaveTruthSlave Date: Apr 20, 2008 01:32
Angus Rodgers wrote:
> (Old joke:)
>
> Two behaviourists meet at a conference.
> "How am I?"
> "You're fine. How am I?"
>
Better joke...
Two behaviorists at a conference.
One murmurs in passing *'You ARE fine'*
The other looks around, and thinks
'who said that?'.
[The premise being they don't ask questions,
they just 'know' then project their opinion.]
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