> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message
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> On Aug 26, 4:07 am, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message

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>> On Aug 25, 6:31 am, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

>>> "Optagon" mail.com> wrote in message

>

>>>news:7dd01d7c-6aea-44e1-ac67-c891f51b0660@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

>>>>>....Sounds mid eastern, probably a radical of some sort?
>>>>>Good to know who writes what as backgrounds are usually taletelling.

>

>>>> Name-calling Ad hominem fallacy.

>

>>> Where's the name calling? I am suggesting that a person's background and
>>> roots can explain a lot as to viewpoint.

>

>>>> If you'd like to take the course of a civilized, rational, individual,
>>>> then, logically, assess the argument(s).

>

>>> The courses I've come across in the university these days are totally
>>> biased, lopsided, one point of view politically enforced distortions of
>>> reality. Topaz has it right in his post in this thread. Society
>>> presently
>>> has it's head in the ground not wanting to 'see'...so who am I to poke
>>> anyone in the eye.
>>> But I like to go with my own two eyes open anyway. But that Kenyan
>>> representing the USA was corrupt on so many levels, ha...it was
>>> ridiculous.
>>> It reduces nationality to the sanctity of professional ball teams where
>>> players can be traded in and out like sacks of potatos. Not me and mine;
>>> my ties are familial in nature...and much deeper than uniforms. Call it
>>> instinctive. [BTW, I silently cheer for the Ruckies and Scandanavians in
>>> the sprint events, LOL...can't help it...that's simply where my moral
>>> sentiments lay...not with Kenyans et.al., ha]. In other words, I argue
>>> that
>>> by deeper instincts your very premise as espoused in your subject line
>>> is
>>> false, and in fact, it heritage that comes by way of familial anchor
>>> over
>>> many generations that give us our keenest sense of 'nation', no matter
>>> how
>>> scattered and politically split up things become. To reduce nationality
>>> where familial background has no bearing is to result in nations with
>>> the
>>> binding fabric of those professional ball teams...a temporary coming
>>> together for the moment, but nothing that will last through time [well,
>>> not
>>> without misengenation (sp?) anyway].

>

>>> NO use replying to this because you will never convince me...except to
>>> affirm how we have been politically adulterated for reason of social
>>> expediency and globalization.

>>>>You just don't understand your own country.

>

>> Propriety is necessary for order. Otherwise, a cacophony of interchange
>> ensues where chaos rules where once order existed. Multiculturism across
>> the entire human spectrum of diffrence is a formula to bring down human
>> idealism and I believe, the ruination of human civil existence in time.
>> We'll see.

>

>>>>Which is based upon the principle of humanism.

>

>> The foundation of values in the American heart was Judeo-Christian. If
>> humanism finds any efficacy at all, it is only by way of that rooted
>> foundation. And I have mentioned before of the great flaw in humanism as
>> it
>> has no logical Authority except human opinion. If there is any attempt at
>> enforcement, it becomes only another elitist tyranny, much as political
>> correctness has become.

>
> "The values most commonly assigned to the Judeo-Christian tradition
> are liberty and equality based on Genesis, where all humans are
> created equal, and Exodus, where the Israelites flee tyranny to
> freedom."
>
> "Social equality requires the lack of legally enforced social class or
> caste boundaries and the lack of unjustified discrimination motivated
> by an inalienable part of a person's identity. For example, gender,
> age, origin, caste or class, income or property, language, religion,
> convictions, opinions, health or disability must not result in unequal
> treatment under the law and should not reduce opportunities
> unjustifiably."
>

>>>>You can't even follow the basic principles of your professed religion.

>

>> Which is what? To hand over my culture, and any right of way in the world
>> my forebears may have wrestled from a predatory world, to any
>> Johnny-come-lately who can twist my magnanimous patronage to human
>> idealism
>> to mean 'right of way' to their own?

>

>> I'm not that stupid, thank you.

>
> Your culture?
>
> "Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of
> the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. The
> others were Protestants except for three Roman Catholics: C. Carroll,
> D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons. Among the Protestants delegates to the
> Constitutional Convention, 28 were Episcopalian, eight were
> Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two
> were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists. The total number being
> 49. Some of the more prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical or
> vocal about their opposition to organized religion, such as Jefferson.
> Some of them often related their anti-organized church leanings in
> their speeches and correspondence, including George Washington, John
> Adams, Thomas Jefferson (who created the "Jefferson Bible"), and
> Benjamin Franklin. However, notable founders, such as Patrick Henry,
> were strong proponents of traditional religion. Several of the
> Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs
> very similar to that of deists, including Franklin, Jefferson, and
> Ethan Allen."
>

>>>>You're corrupt. Bankrupt. AKA the devil.

>

>> Something has indeed been corrupted, but by standing my ground to resist
>> change that was awful to my own, I like to think I'm the one who was not
>> corrupted [while everything else has been]. But I admit to my bankruptcy
>> for every time I see a black man with a white woman, my soul has dripped
>> blood upon the ground until now, I dare say I am empty of all
>> vitality...bankrupted by a world (and white woman)gone mad.

>

>> Now...AKA the devil...I truly relate to, for all that has gone down now
>> under , can only be the works of diabolical forces bent upon my
>> destruction and that of western civilization. This is certainly not a time
>> in the world for Godly things, but the very opposite as pornography,
>> homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, and all things anti-family unit sweep
>> the
>> land.

>
> "Civil rights can refer to protection against public (government) and
> or private sector discrimination. In the United States, the Fourteenth
> Amendment to the United States Constitution protects citizens against
> many forms of State discrimination, with its due process and equal
> protection requirements. Civil rights can also refer to protection
> against private actors or entities. The U.S. Congress subsequently
> addressed the issue through the Civil Rights Act of 1964 Sec. 201.
> which states: (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal
> enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages,
> and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in
> this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of
> race, color, religion, or national origin or sex. This legislation and
> the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 are constitutional under
> the Commerce Clause, as the Supreme Court has ruled that the
> Fourteenth Amendment only applies to the State. States generally have
> the power to enact similar legislation, provided that they meet the
> federal minimum standard, under the doctrine of police powers.
>
> The terms civil rights and civil liberties are often used
> interchangeably in the United States. Thomas Jefferson wrote, "a free
> people [claim] their rights aived from the laws of nature, and not as
> the gift of their chief magistrate."
>
> The United States Constitution recognizes different civil rights than
> do most other national constitutions. Two examples of civil rights
> found in the US but rarely (if ever) elsewhere are the right to bear
> arms (Second Amendment to the United States Constitution) and the
> right to a jury trial (Sixth Amendment to the United States
> Constitution). Few nations, not even including a world organization
> body such as the United Nations, have recognized either of these civil
> rights. Many nations recognize an individual's civil right to not be
> executed for murdering another, a civil right not recognized within
> the US."
>
> ---------------------
>
> There's something mechanically different about yours, Immortalists, and
> Errol's posts as my reader won't indent with ">" properly, resulting in run
> on.
>
> Your dissertational post does not convince me, for there are deeper things
> at play...identifiable on a subliminal level if nothing else, just like a
> spitballer might use all available reference to convnce the teacher that his
> spitballing was not in violation of a certain dignity to the classroom, and
> the wise teacher impervious to his 'game'.  Not because the arguments  can't
> be carried in the spitballer's reprisal, but that the teacher knows
> insincerity in the unscrupulous political ploy when she sees it, and knows
> when she is being manipulated for politcal gain and not higher virtue as
> found in truth.
>
>  We are creatures of language, and as of yet, the only language I have is
> archaic and impotent to describe that what has gone down since civil rights
> has been oppositional to everything that ME and MINE stand for.   But...that
> oppositional character is very real...and I'm not so stupid to get caught up
> in word games when I can identify the intrinsic nature of objects by
> instinct [if nothing else, but far more conscious than instinct] and the
> political ploy of certain arguments that can only result in my diminishment
> and whatever resistance I can muster as charged by my responsible nature.
>
> In other words, I know an enemy when I see it, and the liberal mindset has
> become the enemy to a way of life that was established here on these shores
> dating back to those same founders by decrea of their innate nature of
> BEing, regardless of their various organizational affiliations.   They spoke
> with a clear voice in a single conscience if not always in agreement, but
> established whole by the common grain of what they were as a people of that
> time and place.
>
> A people that now has been ripped asunder by a new political steamroller
> that would hide beneath that umbrella that civil rights has provided to
> protect all things insiduously dangerous to the tranquility of the land.
>
> I will not get caught up in games of intellectual prowress that takes me
> away from my experience and common sense to what has gone down.
>
> By IDENTITY, the wrong things have nestled into the fabric of what we
> are...and I fight that wrongness with every ounce of what I am...