Re: Talking about the constitution when will people stop talking in their sleep And WAKE UP!!!
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Re: Talking about the constitution when will people stop talking in their sleep And WAKE UP!!!         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: tg
Date: Sep 1, 2008 06:29

On Aug 31, 11:50 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 7:46 pm, Rainbowmatrix
>
>
>
> bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>> I do agree that our constitution is the best in the world(if not the
>> youngest I think the swiss have re written theirs recently) there are
>> very many people that want to change the points that allow sovereignty
>> I am not big on conspiracy's but observing the assault that the people
>> have allowed on our primary industry's, imports, goods and people.
>> Do the people that come to The lucky coutry. Do they really want to
>> contribute to our country or are they here to secure their share to
>> send back to their country of Origin
>
>> Australians are too generous with aid and other things that deplete
>> our resources and what is said to be the COMMON Wealth
>> I question the true value of a constitution that does not make
>> provision for the Original inhabitants and that also does not provide
>> protection for all citizens that the constitution was not able to stop
>> the recent interventions into the Aboriginal community's is evidence
>> enough that OUR Excellent constitution is lacking power for the
>> protection of the original inhabitants and those that just do not
>> understand CAN anyone really use the constitution for anything
>> constructive. every person interprets it from their own point of view
>> and if they have the money/ intelligence they become a king or queen
>> that doesn't have to pay tole's or registration and various other
>> perks so that they can keep for themselves the money the land and what
>> ever they keep for them selves without putting back into the system.
>> DEVISIVE!!
>
>> Arguing the constitution Gives the Lawyers barristers and the Judges
>> jobs and distracts the masses from real issues most that claim to
>> understand do seminars and line their own pockets Most that want to be
>> royalty are successfully distracted from the bigger issues.
>> Man has become the victim of his own intelligence
>> Forgetting the That LORE is written in our DNA and when it really
>> comes down to Life or death Each Man has Free will and three drives no
>> matter what Laws Man writes these laws can not be beneficial for all
>> Sharing and caring are learnt behavior not the primeval instincts that
>> are human behavior.
>
> John Adams once said, "It is by balancing each of these powers against
> the other two, that the efforts in human nature toward tyranny can
> alone be checked and restrained, and any degree of freedom preserved
> in the Constitution."
>
> At least the checks and balances are a system for separation of
> powers. It is there to make sure that no one group or branch of
> government can have exclusive control. Each of the three branches has
> their own powers to check the action of the other branches. The three
> branches are legislative, judicial, and executive. The legislative
> branch is Congress and they pass the laws. The executive branch that
> is the president administers and enforces the laws. The judicial
> branch is the courts that interpret the laws. These separation of
> powers are established in Articles I, II, and III of the
> Constitution.
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> At each layer we need to fight against the ape in man, man. We need to
> at every level some group that checks that level and someone that
> checks that group. Or life will become "solitary, poor, nasty,
> brutish, and short." else you get Bush/Hitler/stalin salad!
>
> Hobbes
>
> During the time men live without a common power to keep them all in
> awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as
> is of every man against every man. In this state any person has a
> natural right to do anything to preserve his own liberty or safety,
> and life is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." ...in the
> international arena, states behave as individuals do in a state of
> nature.
>
> Within the state of nature there is no injustice, since there is no
> law, excepting certain natural precepts, the first of which is "that
> every man ought to endeavour peace, as far as he has hope of obtaining
> it". ; and the second is "that a man be willing, when others are so
> too, as far forth as for peace and defence of himself he shall think
> it necessary, to lay down this right to all things; and be contented
> with so much liberty against other men as he would allow other men
> against himself". . From this, ...the way out of the state of nature
> [is] into civil government by mutual contract. (bellum omnium contra
> omnes)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature
>
> If a nation were a machine, here's how you could build it using
> subsumption architecture:
>
> You start with towns. You get a town's logistics ironed out: basic
> stuff like streets, plumbing, lights, and law. Once you have a bunch
> of towns working reliably, you make a county. You keep the towns going
> while adding a layer of complexity that will take care of courts,
> jails, and schools in a whole district of towns. If the county
> apparatus were to disappear, the towns would still continue. Take a
> bunch of counties and add the layer of states. States collect taxes
> and subsume many of the responsibilities of governing from the county.
> Without states, the towns would continue, although perhaps not as
> effectively or as complexly. Once you have a bunch of states, you can
> add a federal government. The federal layer subsumes some of the
> activities of the states, by setting their limits, and organizing work
> above the state level. If the feds went away the thousands of local
> towns would still continue to do their local jobs -- streets, plumbing
> and lights. But the work of towns subsumed by states and finally
> subsumed by a nation is made more powerful. That is, towns organized
> by this subsumption architecture can build, educate, rule, and prosper
> far more than they could individually. The federal structure of the
> U.S. government is therefore a subsumption architecture.
>

Now that's just silly. The State is what exists first---calling it a
'town' doesn't change that. Towns can exist within a State only
because the State has established control over resources.

-tg
>> Be reminded in the words of Friedrich Hundertwasser (renowned Austrian
>> ecologist, environmentalist, architect and artist) -
>> "If we do not honor our past we lose our future, if we destroy our
>> roots we cannot grow".    We CANNOT choose the history of this
>> country, we MUST be HONEST and include everything - it may be
>> unpalatable to remember the brutal massacres and the many other
>> injustices that have occurred but they did happen and this country was
>> not Terra Nullius as some people still endeavour to have us believe.
>> NO treaty No Power to rule the original inhabitants.
>> No concession No surrender No retreat
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