> On Aug 7, 11:48 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> On Aug 7, 4:29 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

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>>> Another example is ethanol. Its been pointed out that fuel
>>> production will cut into food production. Which will, as it already
>>> has, lead to higher prices for, in this case, corn.

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>>> The Liberals say that people will starve so that Americans can
>>> keep driving gas hogs. Which, to some extent, is true. But does
>>> that mean that they will then switch to driving less and using
>>> fuel efficient vehicles to do it?

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>>> There are elegant free market supply and demand models that
>>> say so. But what will really happen is simply an increase in the
>>> latent racism, so that the poor non-white world will be seen as
>>> deserving starvation because they did not adapt to the demands
>>> of the market. "Let them eat cake."

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>> Sounds like old thinking since most of the poor-non-white world is
>> where most of the economic action is going on, and they are
>> industrializing and getting connected into the network of
>> relationships to the west's disadvantage. I guess the text below is
>> supposed to represent the new thinking that will greatly increase
>> pollution when every country gets online;

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> Both China & India have power elites that are doing really well. But
> both also have impoverished masses that worry the leadership. There
> are about as many in the rest of the world, most obviously Africa.
>
> I rather expect a wholesale abandonment of Christianity. Christian
> missionaries are now prime targets in many areas for kidnapping. A
> lot of smart people have figured out that the Christian policy of
> feeding the babies, but not providing birth control has produced a
> situation where indigenous tribal populations have risen so much that
> their own traditional way of life will no longer support them in their
> own
> lands. This has created opposition.
>
> Empires peak. Hadrian realized this. And then, empires begin shedding
> unprofitable provinces after having extracted the most profitable
> natural
> resources. Today, we call these "failed states". Rome lasted 1000
> years,
> but Europe was never again sustainably organized until recently (that
> analysis deserves its own post). Over the last 2500 years, China has
> had
> 10 dynasties, which is to say, 10 empires collapse, with 50 years of
> anarchy and warlords in between each empire. (why it repeatedly
> reorganized as an empire is another interesting question)
>
> But in both cases, unprofitable provinces were shed. In both cases the
> power elites became richer over time as everyone else got poorer. As
> the middle classes shrank they were no longer able to maintain their
> tools and educate the next generation, so that the infrastucture began
> to decline. Arts which had been innovative, began to rework old
> designs.
>
> But in China the process was faster, with few empires lasting more
> than
> 200 years, some only 50 or so. And in Europe, we see the shift away
> from the notoriously corrupt Rome to a new 'city on the hill'. which
> itself
> became even more notoriously corrupt and so full of lawyers that we
> still have a word for it:"byzantine".
>
> But yes, the situation has a flip side, and Friedman has a lotta
> points
> well worth considering. I wish I could bring to his attention the
> collection
> of independent city states in a transnational free market now known as
> the "Silk Road". Every city had shipping offices networked with
> offices in
> every other city. War was bad for business. The Silk Road was not just
> 1 route, but at least 3, with interconnecting interstates going North
> &
> South so that revolution could be gone around.
>
> But there is also a clear racism. The Aryans, who founded these
> cities,
> had Chinese partners, and there are Chinese people buried in Aryan
> clothes in the graveyards. The priciest call girls in Xian came from
> Kucha (which has something to with the phase "kuchi coo".) And even
> today, in Tien Shen province, there are natives who speak Chinese-
> with light hair & skin with green or hazel eyes that could pass on the
> streets of any Aryan city without notice.
>
> EW Barber, the Mummies of Urumchi" reports Aryans were hired into
> the Chinese court as astrologers, magicians, musicians, arttists, etc.
> And we now realize that a famous Chinese general to took power for
> a time was from Kucha.
>
> But the Persians, Tibetans, Siberians, Mongols, were all regarded as
> theiving scum. There's a dialogue between the Gautamid Queen of
> Kucha and the living Buddah which makes reference to the "Arrogant
> Sakyas" and their mysogeny. The warlords in Central Asia havent
> changed a bit in 2500 years.
>
> JP Mallory, "In Search of the Indo-Europeans" reports that the
> original
> Aryans were not aggressive conquerers, but assimilators. Since he
> wrote, there's been a lot more found in the Central Asian deserts. And
> out of that I see that across a span of thousands of years, from time
> to time, a great, but diffuse, mercantile empire emerged, that for a
> long time extended from Iceland to the Baltic, thence down the rivers
> of Russia to the Black and Caspian seas, then running east overland
> all the way to the Jade Gate.
>
> At the same time that Marco Polo left, someone could have left the
> Black Sea, and ended up at Iceland. But either way, this mercantile
> culture interbred with other merchant families, and its gone on so
> long
> that a line of innately entrepeneurial people *evolved*. Yankees
> being
> one example. I dont see anything in their documents that supported
> racist demagogues; that wouldda been bad for business.
>
> And still today, when merchant families marry across the Aryan and
> Chinese bloodlines, there isnt any problem; everyone knows that the
> kids which result will do fine in the new flat world. But outside of
> those
> parameters, the bloodlines in the other races arent as well documented
> and there is cause for concern.
>
> Like the Aryan colonists, the Chinese have tried investing in Africa,
> and
> much of that investment is now written off. If all food and oil
> shipments
> to Africa were stopped, and that looked like it would help stabilize
> the
> Chinese economy, then the CCP will turn a blind eye.
>
> I dunno if Chinese strategists still read history. But a Chinese
> general
> and his army once stood on the shores of the Caspian. There wasnt a
> lot there at the time, But there's oil there now. China is putting in
> new
> pipelines. And has deals cooking with Iran, which frankly have not
> been
> working out all that well. But remember- their own ancestors regarded
> the Persians as scum. Maybe there's a reason?
>
> A war to invade Iran, with the US providing the air cover for Chinese
> boots on the ground would solve a lotta problems for the global market.-