All thru history, when the supply of critical resources stops
increasing, the power elites, rather than reducing their consumption,
actually increase the exploitation of all lower classes to maintain
the illusion of 'progress'.

Thus, in the New Global Empire, when they realized there was a problem
with oil, Americans switched from driving fuel efficient Toyotas &
Hondas to Hummers and SUVs.

On Aug 6, 4:23 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

some more examples, please

(s) not c wright mill, i never did read his influential book ("the
power elite"), but i did read some of vance packard's fun popular
sociology and enjoyed wm white's "organization man" in the late 1950s

p.s.

hay, bud, there aren't classes in amer...it's euphemistically "income
group" because of the unpleasant connotation of "class" everything up, this one is valid>

On Aug 6, 1:23 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

What you describe sounds more like a case or "adaption to changing
circumstanses, and good old basic supply and demand;

On Aug 6, 8:17 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

Yep..
And due to excessive centralization/monopolization when the supply
chain is interrupted, the entire system will collapse.
All bets and expections out the window. Major 'adaptation' for all
'income classes' around.

Another example is ethanol. Its been pointed out that fuel
production will cut into food production. Which will, as it already
has, lead to higher prices for, in this case, corn.

The Liberals say that people will starve so that Americans can
keep driving gas hogs. Which, to some extent, is true. But does
that mean that they will then switch to driving less and using
fuel efficient vehicles to do it?

There are elegant free market supply and demand models that
say so. But what will really happen is simply an increase in the
latent racism, so that the poor non-white world will be seen as
deserving starvation because they did not adapt to the demands
of the market. "Let them eat cake."

On Aug 6, 4:23 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

What "problem with oil"? There is no problem. The world is awash in
oil. The problem is gov't interference in its exploration, refining,
and distribution. Blocking drilling in ANWR is just one example. The
multitude of bizarre regulations on refining is another (which is why
new ones aren't being built - for essentially the same reason that new
nuclear reactors aren't being built).

You're also forgetting that the surge in the purchase of Hummers and
SUVs was when oil was (relatively) cheap (just a few years ago). Oil
prices btw are still (relatively) cheap. In real - inflation adjusted
dollars - the price is about the same now as it was 30 years ago. You
want expensive oil. Go to your vaunted European welfare states. In
Norway it's $9/gallon.

Fred Weiss

On Aug 7, 4:29 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

On Aug 7, 11:48 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

On Aug 8, 3:45 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

On Aug 8, 11:26 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

Before I forget it, a link I just came across:
http://www.aolvideoblog.com/2007/08/07/market-meltdown/

The dude seems to think he has inside info from the power elite on
Wall Street, and he is freaking. I dunno. The data is too often
contradictory and ambiguous. This network of relationships you speak
of will re-emerge even if there is a total economic disaster.
Technology has given us too many ways to communicate that no tyranny
or military junta can control.

But for insurance, you mite locate your old 56k modem, or buy a new
one. Preferably one that works with LInux and DOS.