On Sep 21, 11:40 pm, Fred Weiss
papertig.com> wrote:> On Sep 21, 5:37 am, "Rev. Richard Skull"
verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 21, 12:27 am, Fred Weiss
papertig.com> wrote:>
>>> On Sep 20, 11:42 pm, "Anachron"
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>>>> The system that gave us 12 hour days in the coal mine for 12 year olds.
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>>> What do you think those 12 year olds were doing before - those that
>>> survived the periodic famines and plagues?
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>>> "The system" , as you call it, made possible for the first time in
>>> history the creation of a large middle class which also for the first
>>> time in history could afford to send their children to school instead
>>> of to work.
>> The LArge MIddle Class was made possible by the reforms made by the
>> Rooservelts (Teddy and Franklin) which allowed the "midle class" to
>> enjoy the fruits of their labors.
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> There was already a large and growing middle class by 1900, enjoying
> "the fruits of their labors" (at least by the standards of the time).
> Why do you think that 10's of millions of immigrants flocked to this
> country in this period?
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> The "labor laws" imposed on the economy by the "Progressives" in this
> period would not have been possible except for the vast increase in
> labor productivity which was made possible by advances in industrial
> technology implemented by the businessmen of the era. If such laws had
> been imposed prior to that it would have just bankrupted the economy.
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> Advances in working conditions were occurring on their own and would
> have been increasingly necessitated by competition for workers -
> especially the best workers. Ford understood that when he introduced
> the $5/day and workers flocked to his plants from all over the country
> and thus he had his pick of the best of them.
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> The vast majority of businesses today would have a hard time
> attracting workers at the minimum wage, so imposing a minimum wage is
> gratuitous at best. Workers not worth more than the minimum wage are
> now simply not hired - or companies go overseas where they can easily
> get cheaper labor (or they go out of business). Usually what happens
> today is such workers are replaced by automation.
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> Labor laws therefore work to the *disadvantage* of workers and the
> best, most competent, and most ambitious workers, the ones who aren't
> satisfied with entry level positions and who want to advance, don't
> need them. Such workers have no trouble finding employers eager to
> hire them and pay their rates and meet their (reasonable) conditions -
> and if not they go to work for themselves.
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Mr T.R. WAS one of the Progressives!
The GOP was a Porgressive Party until the 1900's. (Remember Lincoln
Freeing the slaves thuingy?)
The MOdern Political Spectromw as formed when the GOP Power Brokers,
upset with T.R.'s "trust Busting" Pushed him and his allies out of
office through "back room deals".
T.R. created his own party, "The Bull Moose" to run again.
They split the GOP vote and let Woodrow Wilson get elected.
The resulting shake up saw the Progressives move over the the
Democratic Party and push out the "old school" Democrats who were
still bitching about the Civil War and McClellen loosing to Abe
Lincoln.
One of the converts was T.R.'s Cousin, Franklin. Who consulted with
Teddy before dipping his toe into the Political Water.
Yes, the FDA, the old ICC, and the Child Labor laws were all created
under Teddy Rooservelt by the Republcan Party.
I think you should maybe pick a REAl History Book and read it once in
while. OH Wait! According the the Neo-Cons, History is over!
