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> "Mark Earnest"
yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:HJ6dnTO3J42sDknVnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@posted.internetamerica...>>>
>>> "Mark Earnest"
yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O_WdnRf1xIkDjEnVnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@posted.internetamerica...>>>>>A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>>> patients.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>>> experiences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're either dead or you're alive, you can't just be sort of dead.
>>>> IMV, people that experience NDEs are alive, just short of being dead.
>>>
>>> Doesn't "near death" mean the very same thing as "just short of being
>>> dead"? :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> They see the world of dreams, and everything therefore is in symbols of
>>>> reality, not direct blazen sunlight direct calibre reality.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Spoken like a true man who has not had the experience. Of course, I have
>>> had chats with people who have had varying forms of nde's as well as
>>> obe's, and they too placed the cause on firing neurons etc. And no doubt
>>> there is some truth to this, but how much in all individual cases no one
>>> knows. Therefore at this point, it's just conjecture about things people
>>> know not much about.
>>>
>>> On the other hand there is nothing symbolic, or dreamy, or unreal about
>>> the insides of a roof void as one passes thru it in full consciousness.
>>> I know. And no one has the right to deny my own direct and repeatable
>>> experiences.
>>>
>>> There is nothing anyone can say to the thousands of people who have
>>> experienced the feeling of being squeezed out of there bodies as if they
>>> were toothpaste in a tube.
>>>
>>> But, you don't have to believe it either. People who know what it's like
>>> really don't care what others might think of it, or them, yet understand
>>> and accept your own point of view on this. And that is Truth . ;-)
>>
>> I'm not saying here that NDEs are not real. They are real.
>> But I am also saying that the ones that go to heaven or hell are not
>> really
>> going there at all...just to places in between here and there, to the
>> Twilight
>> Zone, so to speak.
>>
>> If the NDE people really, really died, I am sure that they would
>> experience something that no man on Earth could even conceive of.
>>
>
> oh, ok, I see what you meant now, thx for that.
>
> I'd leave the door open just a little and not be too certain/sure about
> your last point though. Never say never , in other words. Ya never know
> what's possible. :)
O.K., fair enough.
