>>
>> "Mark Earnest"
yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:O_WdnRf1xIkDjEnVnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@posted.internetamerica...>>>>A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>> patients.
>>>>
>>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>> experiences.
>>>>
>>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
>>>
>>>
>>> You're either dead or you're alive, you can't just be sort of dead.
>>> IMV, people that experience NDEs are alive, just short of being dead.
>>
>> Doesn't "near death" mean the very same thing as "just short of being
>> dead"? :)
>>
>>
>>> They see the world of dreams, and everything therefore is in symbols of
>>> reality, not direct blazen sunlight direct calibre reality.
>>>
>>
>> Spoken like a true man who has not had the experience. Of course, I have
>> had chats with people who have had varying forms of nde's as well as
>> obe's, and they too placed the cause on firing neurons etc. And no doubt
>> there is some truth to this, but how much in all individual cases no one
>> knows. Therefore at this point, it's just conjecture about things people
>> know not much about.
>>
>> On the other hand there is nothing symbolic, or dreamy, or unreal about
>> the insides of a roof void as one passes thru it in full consciousness. I
>> know. And no one has the right to deny my own direct and repeatable
>> experiences.
>>
>> There is nothing anyone can say to the thousands of people who have
>> experienced the feeling of being squeezed out of there bodies as if they
>> were toothpaste in a tube.
>>
>> But, you don't have to believe it either. People who know what it's like
>> really don't care what others might think of it, or them, yet understand
>> and accept your own point of view on this. And that is Truth . ;-)
>
> I'm not saying here that NDEs are not real. They are real.
> But I am also saying that the ones that go to heaven or hell are not
> really
> going there at all...just to places in between here and there, to the
> Twilight
> Zone, so to speak.
>
> If the NDE people really, really died, I am sure that they would
> experience something that no man on Earth could even conceive of.
>
oh, ok, I see what you meant now, thx for that.
I'd leave the door open just a little and not be too certain/sure about your
last point though. Never say never , in other words. Ya never know what's
possible. :)
