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> "Mark Earnest" yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:O_WdnRf1xIkDjEnVnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@posted.internetamerica...

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>> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:67cac28e-0075-4c3d-b00b-b88110a9be96@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>>>A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>> patients.
>>>
>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>> experiences.
>>>
>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.

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>> You're either dead or you're alive, you can't just be sort of dead.
>> IMV, people that experience NDEs are alive, just short of being dead.

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> Doesn't "near death" mean the very same thing as "just short of being
> dead"? :)
>
>

>> They see the world of dreams, and everything therefore is in symbols of
>> reality, not direct blazen sunlight direct calibre reality.
>>

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> Spoken like a true man who has not had the experience. Of course, I have
> had chats with people who have had varying forms of nde's as well as
> obe's, and they too placed the cause on firing neurons etc. And no doubt
> there is some truth to this, but how much in all individual cases no one
> knows. Therefore at this point, it's just conjecture about things people
> know not much about.
>
> On the other hand there is nothing symbolic, or dreamy, or unreal about
> the insides of a roof void as one passes thru it in full consciousness. I
> know. And no one has the right to deny my own direct and repeatable
> experiences.
>
> There is nothing anyone can say to the thousands of people who have
> experienced the feeling of being squeezed out of there bodies as if they
> were toothpaste in a tube.
>
> But, you don't have to believe it either. People who know what it's like
> really don't care what others might think of it, or them, yet understand
> and accept your own point of view on this. And that is Truth . ;-)