> bigflet...@gmail.com wrote:

>> On Sep 19, 7:52 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> On Sep 18, 11:21 am, John Jones aol.com> wrote:

>

>>>> turtoni wrote:

>>>>> A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>>> patients.
>>>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>>> experiences.
>>>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
>>>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>>>> seen from above.
>>>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>>>> only from the ceiling.
>>>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.
>>>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>>>> we have to be open-minded.
>>>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>>>> illusions or false memories.
>>>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."
>>>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>>>> experiences.
>>>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>>>> moment.
>>>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>>>> termed cardiac arrest.
>>>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.
>>>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>>>> experience during the dying process."
>>>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>>>> images in the pictures.
>>>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>>>> hospitals in the US.
>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm

>>>> Death experiences and out of body experiences were a common factor in
>>>> LSD therapy in the sixties. Grof has catalogued hundreds, if not
>>>> thousands of them.
>>>> But this evidence is ignored. Why? Because it doesn't fall into current
>>>> science practice. And why is that? Because Grof didn't run 'brain
>>>> scans'. You have to 'analyse' 'brain scans' these days to be seen as
>>>> doing proper science. That's how narrow-minded these new studies are.

>>> Did Grof try in any way to falsify the hypothesis
>>> that these experiences were anything but phony?
>>> Actually, the thing that makes this study scientific
>>> is the pictures that can only be seen from the
>>> ceiling: a means of testing the reality of the out
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>> It is not that simple, because even cases of blind people describing
>> in detail doesnt even 'cut the mustard'.

>

>> The ability to comprehend such realities,is a matter of consciousness,
>> not intellect. There is non more acedemically qualified in this field
>> than Brian Weiss. I know he knows, because I do. Ironically, those
>> that dont, look to his level of qualification for validation, which is
>> why such hostility comes about when he doesnt 'toe the party
>> line' (comply with the group consciousness).

>

>> And the beat goes on...............

>

>> BOfL

>
> Brian Weiss is a psychotherapist. You can't integrate psychotherapy with
> OBE's because the two belong to contradictory systems of thought. That
> is why I think that Brian Weiss is a well-meaning charlatan.
>
> Brian Weiss's work sounds similar to the work that the author of
> 'clinical theology' was doing, Frank Lake. Frank Lake was before the LSD
> era. So I am surprised that such a backward view is still going on.
> Psychotherapy has had its day. Weiss should wise up to that.- Hide quoted text -
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