> On Sep 19, 7:52 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:

>> On Sep 18, 11:21 am, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
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>>> turtoni wrote:

>>>> A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>> patients.
>>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>> experiences.
>>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
>>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>>> seen from above.
>>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>>> only from the ceiling.
>>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.
>>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>>> we have to be open-minded.
>>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>>> illusions or false memories.
>>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."
>>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>>> experiences.
>>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>>> moment.
>>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>>> termed cardiac arrest.
>>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.
>>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>>> experience during the dying process."
>>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>>> images in the pictures.
>>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>>> hospitals in the US.
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm

>>> Death experiences and out of body experiences were a common factor in
>>> LSD therapy in the sixties. Grof has catalogued hundreds, if not
>>> thousands of them.
>>> But this evidence is ignored. Why? Because it doesn't fall into current
>>> science practice. And why is that? Because Grof didn't run 'brain
>>> scans'. You have to 'analyse' 'brain scans' these days to be seen as
>>> doing proper science. That's how narrow-minded these new studies are.

>> Did Grof try in any way to falsify the hypothesis
>> that these experiences were anything but phony?
>> Actually, the thing that makes this study scientific
>> is the pictures that can only be seen from the
>> ceiling: a means of testing the reality of the out
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> It is not that simple, because even cases of blind people describing
> in detail doesnt even 'cut the mustard'.
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> The ability to comprehend such realities,is a matter of consciousness,
> not intellect. There is non more acedemically qualified in this field
> than Brian Weiss. I know he knows, because I do. Ironically, those
> that dont, look to his level of qualification for validation, which is
> why such hostility comes about when he doesnt 'toe the party
> line' (comply with the group consciousness).
>
> And the beat goes on...............
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> BOfL