On Sep 19, 11:44Â am, turtoni
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>>> On Sep 19, 3:00Â am, A Situation
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>>> Of course, after the absolute strangeness of the fact
>>> of existence its self, anything could happen or be, but from
>>> an engineering perspective, when the physical basis for something
>>> breaks down, that something ceases to be. In this case, as the break down is
>>> occurring, qualia producing neural structures may continue function for a while,
>>> as may memory functions. Hence your "near-death" experience memories.
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>>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
fastmail.net> wrote:>>>>A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>>patients.
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>>>>Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>>>people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>>experiences.
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>>>>Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>>looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
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>>>>The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>>>University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>>>seen from above.
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>>>>To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>>>resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>>>only from the ceiling.
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>>>>Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>>>that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>>>for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.
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>>>>"It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>>>we have to be open-minded.
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>>>>"And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>>>illusions or false memories.
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>>>>"This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."
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>>>>Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>>>duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>>>experiences.
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>>>>He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>>>moment.
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>>>>"It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>>>stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>>>termed cardiac arrest.
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>>>>"During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>>>There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>>>to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>>>restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.
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>>>>"What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>>>a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>>>experience during the dying process."
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>>>>Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>>>1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>>>images in the pictures.
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>>>>Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>>>Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>>>hospitals in the US.
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>> Which is why such experimentation is worthless, other than for the
>> poor schmuck who actually 'gets it' amongst the colleagues.
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>> Prof Brian Weiss needs no such proof. He has spent the last half of a
>> very distinguished career in psychiatry, with the realization of the
>> reality of life after death. He was also very cautious at the
>> beginning of this insightfulness, having come from a very sceptical
>> background. He recognised how such views would be far more
>> confrontational from a man of his professional standing, than some
>> "blind from birth" patient who described what went on"visually" during
>> his surgery.He expected chastisement.
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>> Your engineering argument falls flat (if you'll pardon the pun) when
>> you take into account the law of conservation of energy.It is only the
>> form that changes, which actually supports the argument, if argument
>> was of any value in such issues.
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>> First hand experience is the only true 'teacher', and even then, many
>> doubt such experiences, because they have been so programmed in the
>> world of group psychosis.
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>> BOfL
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> What is the point of reincarnation Brian?
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> So when are you going to start practicing those stories?
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> Hmmm?
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You mean you havnt been reading my contributions over the last few
years? Explanations actually, but stories to you.
Perhaps you need to re visit. We never move on until we have finished
with where we have been. Very frustrating for those who dont yet
recognise there is actiually anywhere to go.Repeating seem the only
option.
Particularly frustrating when there is a sub conscious 'sense' of
purpose. Holding on to past experiences blocks growth, but pain is a
great motivator. Its amazing to discover the capacity of your legs
when your arse is on fire.
BOfL
