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>> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message

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>>>A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>> patients.

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>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>> experiences.

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>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.

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>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>> seen from above.

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>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>> only from the ceiling.

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>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.

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>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>> we have to be open-minded.

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>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>> illusions or false memories.

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>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."

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>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>> experiences.

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>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>> moment.

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>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>> termed cardiac arrest.

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>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.

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>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>> experience during the dying process."

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>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>> images in the pictures.

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>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>> hospitals in the US.

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>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm

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>> So if instead, a child of six, 10 years later reported to their father
>> who
>> was a doctor at one of hospitals in 2008, spontaneously detailed out one
>> of
>> the said "images" then this would scientifically prove "reincarnation"
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>> well as OOBE as being real ?

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>> But I have another question. If one, in the middle of OOBE was so
>> engrossed
>> with the light, and discussions with other souls also disembodied, but
>> neglected to notice said pictures and so failed to report it, then this
>> would obviously prove that there is no such thing as consciousness being
>> separate from the body.

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>> This is what we call science and reason? mmmmmmmmmmm fascinating.

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>> But at least they are "trying". But are they trying to prove it or
>> disprove
>> it? Sounds like the latter, because the experiment design is so lame and
>> irrational.

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>> BTW studies in hospitals has already been done. Most don't accept the
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> We think of the potential chaos in world economics, if the petro
> dollar economy was rapidly disbanded.
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> Thats NOTHING in comparison to the proving of OOBE and reincarnation.
> Of course the irony is, the organisations mostly impacted, are the
> very ones doing the experimenting.
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> We know the oil wil run out, so there are planned chanover stratagies
> in place, but "we"also know that the consciousness of the intellect
> 'never' runs out, and power seeking is always present amongst the
> members.
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> See you on the 'road less travelled' :-)
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> BOfL
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> Hey, not if I see you first.
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> If you see Buddha on the road, I was told to kill him. hehehehehe
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> So beware where you jog, I'm heading north for a holiday, and I quite like
> Main Beach!!! LOL- Hide quoted text -
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