> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message
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> news:81d395a6-b282-4f15-a4ab-efc7f028a2b5@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 18, 2:21 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
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>> turtoni wrote:

>>> A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>> patients.

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>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>> experiences.

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>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.

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>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>> seen from above.

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>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>> only from the ceiling.

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>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.

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>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>> we have to be open-minded.

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>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>> illusions or false memories.

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>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."

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>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>> experiences.

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>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>> moment.

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>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>> termed cardiac arrest.

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>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.

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>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>> experience during the dying process."

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>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>> images in the pictures.

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>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>> hospitals in the US.

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>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm

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>> Death experiences and out of body experiences were a common factor in
>> LSD therapy in the sixties. Grof has catalogued hundreds, if not
>> thousands of them.

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>> But this evidence is ignored. Why? Because it doesn't fall into current
>> science practice. And why is that? Because Grof didn't run 'brain
>> scans'. You have to 'analyse' 'brain scans' these days to be seen as
>> doing proper science. That's how narrow-minded these new studies are.

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> "Despite Grof's continued emphasis on the concept of "birth trauma" as
> a critical psychic experience, mainstream psychiatry has not accepted
> his concept (Grof, 1992). In fact, most professionals would argue that
> such a conceptualization of retained memory falls outside of the
> physiological potential of the newborn. "Despite the growing number of
> reports of memories of past lives, life in the womb, and the birth
> experience, there is no scientific evidence to substantiate these
> claims" (Mark L. Howe and Mary L. Courage, 2004; also see Spanos,
> 1996)."
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Grof-
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> Sean:
> Great, so that locks that option out of the array of possibilites.

> Excellent. Well done. You win. You're right. Can't argue with that.