On Sep 19, 1:04Â am, "Sean"
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> On Sep 19, 12:47 am, "Sean" now.com.au> wrote:
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>>> "turtoni"
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>>> "turtoni"
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>>>> turtoni wrote:
>>>>> A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>>> patients.
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>>>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see
>>>>> if
>>>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>>> experiences.
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>>>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
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>>>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only
>>>>> be
>>>>> seen from above.
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>>>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>>>> only from the ceiling.
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>>>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can
>>>>> demonstrate
>>>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.
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>>>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>>>> we have to be open-minded.
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>>>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>>>> illusions or false memories.
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>>>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."
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>>>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of
>>>>> near-death
>>>>> experiences.
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>>>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>>>> moment.
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>>>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>>>> termed cardiac arrest.
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>>>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed
>>>>> in
>>>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.
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>>>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest
>>>>> provides
>>>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>>>> experience during the dying process."
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>>>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>>>> images in the pictures.
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>>>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>>>> hospitals in the US.
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>>>> Death experiences and out of body experiences were a common factor in
>>>> LSD therapy in the sixties. Grof has catalogued hundreds, if not
>>>> thousands of them.
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>>>> But this evidence is ignored. Why? Because it doesn't fall into
>>>> current
>>>> science practice. And why is that? Because Grof didn't run 'brain
>>>> scans'. You have to 'analyse' 'brain scans' these days to be seen as
>>>> doing proper science. That's how narrow-minded these new studies are.
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>>> "Despite Grof's continued emphasis on the concept of "birth trauma" as
>>> a critical psychic experience, mainstream psychiatry has not accepted
>>> his concept (Grof, 1992). In fact, most professionals would argue that
>>> such a conceptualization of retained memory falls outside of the
>>> physiological potential of the newborn. "Despite the growing number of
>>> reports of memories of past lives, life in the womb, and the birth
>>> experience, there is no scientific evidence to substantiate these
>>> claims" (Mark L. Howe and Mary L. Courage, 2004; also see Spanos,
>>> 1996)."
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>>> Sean:
>>> Great, so that locks that option out of the array of possibilites.
>>> Excellent. Well done. You win. You're right. Can't argue with that.
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>> Yes. For me, typically i imagine that "birth trauma"
>> "conceptualization of retained memory falls outside of the
>> physiological potential of the newborn."
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>> Sean:
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>> So you can imagine. Great.
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>> That has what to do with LSD or the post you replied to with a short hand
>> copy paste from wiki? Answser: Zip.
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>> Which came first .... wiki, or your imagination? The chicken or the egg?
>> Are
>> the Platonic solids mystical or scientific? Was Pythagorus a mystic, a
>> philosopher, a musician, a health practitioner or a scientist?
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>> Are you able to even tell the difference Turtoni ..... without using wiki,
>> that is. Not that there's anything wrong with Wiki, I quite like it. :-)
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>> An anagram (Greek anagramma 'letters written anew', passive participle of
>> ana- 'again' + gramma 'letter') is a type of word play, the result of
>> rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or
>> phrase,
>> using all the original letters exactly once; e.g., Eleven plus two =
>> Twelve
>> plus one, A decimal point = I'm a dot in place, Astronomers = Moon
>> starers.
>> Someone who creates anagrams is called an anagrammatist.[1] The original
>> word or phrase is known as the subject of the anagram.
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>> Technically, any word or phrase that exactly reproduces the letters in
>> another is an anagram; e.g., silent = listen
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>> Your homework is to look up "chiastic aphorism" and write a 250 word
>> commentary on it's use in the advertising & PR industries for your own
>> benefit.
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>> TY.
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> Your homework is to undertsand that i should be the one setting you
> the homework.
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> Sean:
> And that's where your major error in logic and reason lays my friend.
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> The chick doesn't teach the eagle how to fly.
Shut up or put up..
