> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message
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> On Sep 19, 12:23 am, "Sean" now.com.au> wrote:
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>> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message

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>>news:81d395a6-b282-4f15-a4ab-efc7f028a2b5@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 18, 2:21 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:

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>>> turtoni wrote:

>>>> A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>> patients.

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>>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see
>>>> if
>>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>> experiences.

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>>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.

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>>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only
>>>> be
>>>> seen from above.

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>>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>>> only from the ceiling.

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>>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can
>>>> demonstrate
>>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.

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>>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>>> we have to be open-minded.

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>>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>>> illusions or false memories.

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>>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."

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>>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of
>>>> near-death
>>>> experiences.

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>>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>>> moment.

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>>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>>> termed cardiac arrest.

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>>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few
>>>> seconds
>>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed
>>>> in
>>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.

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>>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest
>>>> provides
>>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>>> experience during the dying process."

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>>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>>> images in the pictures.

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>>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>>> hospitals in the US.

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>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm

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>>> Death experiences and out of body experiences were a common factor in
>>> LSD therapy in the sixties. Grof has catalogued hundreds, if not
>>> thousands of them.

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>>> But this evidence is ignored. Why? Because it doesn't fall into
>>> current
>>> science practice. And why is that? Because Grof didn't run 'brain
>>> scans'. You have to 'analyse' 'brain scans' these days to be seen as
>>> doing proper science. That's how narrow-minded these new studies are.

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>> "Despite Grof's continued emphasis on the concept of "birth trauma" as
>> a critical psychic experience, mainstream psychiatry has not accepted
>> his concept (Grof, 1992). In fact, most professionals would argue that
>> such a conceptualization of retained memory falls outside of the
>> physiological potential of the newborn. "Despite the growing number of
>> reports of memories of past lives, life in the womb, and the birth
>> experience, there is no scientific evidence to substantiate these
>> claims" (Mark L. Howe and Mary L. Courage, 2004; also see Spanos,
>> 1996)."

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>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Grof-

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>> Sean:
>> Great, so that locks that option out of the array of possibilites.
>> Excellent. Well done. You win. You're right. Can't argue with that.

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> Yes. For me, typically i imagine that "birth trauma"
> "conceptualization of retained memory falls outside of the
> physiological potential of the newborn."
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> Sean:
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> So you can imagine. Great.
>
> That has what to do with LSD or the post you replied to with a short hand
> copy paste from wiki? Answser: Zip.
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> Which came first .... wiki, or your imagination? The chicken or the egg?
> Are
> the Platonic solids mystical or scientific? Was Pythagorus a mystic, a
> philosopher, a musician, a health practitioner or a scientist?
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> Are you able to even tell the difference Turtoni ..... without using wiki,
> that is. Not that there's anything wrong with Wiki, I quite like it. :-)
>
> An anagram (Greek anagramma 'letters written anew', passive participle of
> ana- 'again' + gramma 'letter') is a type of word play, the result of
> rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or
> phrase,
> using all the original letters exactly once; e.g., Eleven plus two =
> Twelve
> plus one, A decimal point = I'm a dot in place, Astronomers = Moon
> starers.
> Someone who creates anagrams is called an anagrammatist.[1] The original
> word or phrase is known as the subject of the anagram.
>
> Technically, any word or phrase that exactly reproduces the letters in
> another is an anagram; e.g., silent = listen
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagram
>
> Your homework is to look up "chiastic aphorism" and write a 250 word
> commentary on it's use in the advertising & PR industries for your own
> benefit.
>
> TY.