"turtoni"
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On Sep 19, 12:23 am, "Sean" now.com.au> wrote:> "turtoni"
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> On Sep 18, 2:21 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
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>>> turtoni wrote:
>>> A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>> patients.
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>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>> experiences.
>
>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
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>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>> seen from above.
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>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>> only from the ceiling.
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>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.
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>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>> we have to be open-minded.
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>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>> illusions or false memories.
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>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."
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>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>> experiences.
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>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>> moment.
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>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>> termed cardiac arrest.
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>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.
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>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>> experience during the dying process."
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>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>> images in the pictures.
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>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>> hospitals in the US.
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>> Death experiences and out of body experiences were a common factor in
>> LSD therapy in the sixties. Grof has catalogued hundreds, if not
>> thousands of them.
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>> But this evidence is ignored. Why? Because it doesn't fall into current
>> science practice. And why is that? Because Grof didn't run 'brain
>> scans'. You have to 'analyse' 'brain scans' these days to be seen as
>> doing proper science. That's how narrow-minded these new studies are.
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> "Despite Grof's continued emphasis on the concept of "birth trauma" as
> a critical psychic experience, mainstream psychiatry has not accepted
> his concept (Grof, 1992). In fact, most professionals would argue that
> such a conceptualization of retained memory falls outside of the
> physiological potential of the newborn. "Despite the growing number of
> reports of memories of past lives, life in the womb, and the birth
> experience, there is no scientific evidence to substantiate these
> claims" (Mark L. Howe and Mary L. Courage, 2004; also see Spanos,
> 1996)."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Grof-
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> Sean:
> Great, so that locks that option out of the array of possibilites.
> Excellent. Well done. You win. You're right. Can't argue with that.
Yes. For me, typically i imagine that "birth trauma"
"conceptualization of retained memory falls outside of the
physiological potential of the newborn."
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Sean:
So you can imagine. Great.
That has what to do with LSD or the post you replied to with a short hand
copy paste from wiki? Answser: Zip.
Which came first .... wiki, or your imagination? The chicken or the egg? Are
the Platonic solids mystical or scientific? Was Pythagorus a mystic, a
philosopher, a musician, a health practitioner or a scientist?
Are you able to even tell the difference Turtoni ..... without using wiki,
that is. Not that there's anything wrong with Wiki, I quite like it. :-)
An anagram (Greek anagramma 'letters written anew', passive participle of
ana- 'again' + gramma 'letter') is a type of word play, the result of
rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase,
using all the original letters exactly once; e.g., Eleven plus two = Twelve
plus one, A decimal point = I'm a dot in place, Astronomers = Moon starers.
Someone who creates anagrams is called an anagrammatist.[1] The original
word or phrase is known as the subject of the anagram.
Technically, any word or phrase that exactly reproduces the letters in
another is an anagram; e.g., silent = listen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagram
Your homework is to look up "chiastic aphorism" and write a 250 word
commentary on it's use in the advertising & PR industries for your own
benefit.
TY.
