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>> Of course, after the absolute strangeness of the fact
>> of existence its self, anything could happen or be, but from
>> an engineering perspective, when the physical basis for something
>> breaks down, that something ceases to be. In this case, as the break down is
>> occurring, qualia producing neural structures may continue function for a while,
>> as may memory functions. Hence your "near-death" experience memories.
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>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT), turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:

>>>A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>>patients.

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>>>Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>>people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>>experiences.

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>>>Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>>looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.

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>>>The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>>University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>>seen from above.

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>>>To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>>resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>>only from the ceiling.

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>>>Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>>that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>>for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.

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>>>"It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>>we have to be open-minded.

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>>>"And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>>illusions or false memories.

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>>>"This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."

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>>>Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>>duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>>experiences.

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>>>He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>>moment.

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>>>"It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>>stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>>termed cardiac arrest.

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>>>"During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>>There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>>to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>>restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.

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>>>"What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>>a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>>experience during the dying process."

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>>>Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>>1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>>images in the pictures.

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>>>Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>>Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>>hospitals in the US.

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> Which is why such experimentation is worthless, other than for the
> poor schmuck who actually 'gets it' amongst the colleagues.
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> Prof Brian Weiss needs no such proof. He has spent the last half of a
> very distinguished career in psychiatry, with the realization of the
> reality of life after death. He was also very cautious at the
> beginning of this insightfulness, having come from a very sceptical
> background. He recognised how such views would be far more
> confrontational from a man of his professional standing, than some
> "blind from birth" patient who described what went on"visually" during
> his surgery.He expected chastisement.
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> Your engineering argument falls flat (if you'll pardon the pun) when
> you take into account the law of conservation of energy.It is only the
> form that changes, which actually supports the argument, if argument
> was of any value in such issues.
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> First hand experience is the only true 'teacher', and even then, many
> doubt such experiences, because they have been so programmed in the
> world of group psychosis.
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> BOfL