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Author: John Jones
Date: Sep 18, 2008 15:14

Shrikeback@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 18, 11:21 am, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
>> turtoni wrote:
>>> A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest
>>> patients.
>>> Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if
>>> people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body"
>>> experiences.
>>> Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall
>>> looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
>>> The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton
>>> University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be
>>> seen from above.
>>> To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in
>>> resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible
>>> only from the ceiling.
>>> Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate
>>> that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows
>>> for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.
>>> "It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but
>>> we have to be open-minded.
>>> "And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are
>>> illusions or false memories.
>>> "This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."
>>> Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily
>>> duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death
>>> experiences.
>>> He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific
>>> moment.
>>> "It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs
>>> stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition
>>> termed cardiac arrest.
>>> "During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present.
>>> There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds
>>> to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in
>>> restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.
>>> "What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides
>>> a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to
>>> experience during the dying process."
>>> Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of
>>> 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the
>>> images in the pictures.
>>> Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University
>>> Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine
>>> hospitals in the US.
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm
>> Death experiences and out of body experiences were a common factor in
>> LSD therapy in the sixties. Grof has catalogued hundreds, if not
>> thousands of them.
>>
>> But this evidence is ignored. Why? Because it doesn't fall into current
>> science practice. And why is that? Because Grof didn't run 'brain
>> scans'. You have to 'analyse' 'brain scans' these days to be seen as
>> doing proper science. That's how narrow-minded these new studies are.
>
> Did Grof try in any way to falsify the hypothesis
> that these experiences were anything but phony?
> Actually, the thing that makes this study scientific
> is the pictures that can only be seen from the
> ceiling: a means of testing the reality of the out
> of body experience.

Death and out of body experiences were a significant fraction of the
experiences that people reported, in Grof's work. It was not Grof's
remit to assess the validity of notions of non-physical causation but
there were so many unusual coincidences and reports of non-physical
reality that he drew some conclusions and speculations. Grof was, and
is, a pretty straight guy and he would not promote odd speculations or lies.

As people's experiences could not be predicted he had to collect
evidence after the fact (as it were) for those experiences that seemed
to challenge physical causality. e.g. he reports a patient who saw a
tennis shoe on an inaccesible window ledge during an OBE which was there
when he checked. He collected a large body of anecdotal evidence. BUt
really, it takes only one report to challenge physical causality,
whichever way one builds an experiment to investigate it.

I don't think a person needs to be dead to prove non-physical causations
and observations. It is non-physical causations that these authors are
really looking for, and not particularly its associations with death.
OBE death is just a means of investigating it.
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