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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 7, 2008 22:10
Straight to Hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQwm1v1R-qM
"Straight to Hell" is a song by The Clash, from their album Combat
Rock. It was released as a double 'A' side single with "Should I Stay
or Should I Go?" on September 17, 1982 in 12" and 7" vinyl format (the
7" vinyl is a picture disc).
The song is a typical Clash condemnation of the wrongs that they saw
in the world as they wrote the song. The first verse refers to the
shutting down of steel mills in Northern England and the alienation
and racism suffered by immigrants despite their attempts to integrate
into British society. The second verse concerns the abandonment of
children in Vietnam who were fathered by American soldiers during the
Vietnam War. The third verse contrasts the American Dream as seen
through the eyes of an Amerasian child with a dystopian vision of
American reality. The final verse considers the plight of immigrants
throughout the world. Due to this difficult subject material, as well
as the slow, aching beat, the song is one of the most downbeat tracks
in the Clash's history.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Aug 7, 2008 22:40
On Aug 7, 10:10 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> Straight to Hellhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQwm1v1R-qM
>
> "Straight to Hell" is a song by The Clash, from their album Combat
> Rock. It was released as a double 'A' side single with "Should I Stay
> or Should I Go?" on September 17, 1982 in 12" and 7" vinyl format (the
> 7" vinyl is a picture disc).
>
> The song is a typical Clash condemnation of the wrongs that they saw
> in the world as they wrote the song. The first verse refers to the
> shutting down of steel mills in Northern England and the alienation
> and racism suffered by immigrants despite their attempts to integrate
> into British society. The second verse concerns the abandonment of
> children in Vietnam who were fathered by American soldiers during the
> Vietnam War. The third verse contrasts the American Dream as seen
> through the eyes of an Amerasian child with a dystopian vision of
> American reality. The final verse considers the plight of immigrants
> throughout the world. Due to this difficult subject material, as well
> as the slow, aching beat, the song is one of the most downbeat tracks
> in the Clash's history. ...
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 8, 2008 01:22
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>The song is a typical Clash condemnation of the wrongs that they saw
>in the world as they wrote the song.
Can we all agree that all species in this world OVERPRODUCE, thereby
guaranteeing a fair amount of individuals that will never make it. True,
we are not insects...which uses this as their main strategy. But even
humans overproduce, trying to play the odds to fit all niches it can.
The pyramid (or perhaps cone) would be the logical geometric representation
that would come out of a setup where individuals are different, with some
that would excell, others that just keep up, and some that fall behind. But
how stretched out should this pyramid be? How disparate from top to bottom
should it be?
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Aug 8, 2008 04:55
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:22:03 -0400, tooly wrote:
> In fact, the solutions will probably come from that eschelon of human
> activity atop the pryamids...the one where egalitarians would otherwise
> 'starve' to redistribute their bounties to those near or at the bottom
> of the pyramids to bring about a less disparate spectrum of human
> condition.
"Their bounties', please!
Are you so unaware of what the REAL WORLD situation is? The activities of
the 'top eschelon', as you call them, are looting the oh so lessers in
this pyramid of yours. How does Enron and this whole sub-prime credit
situation fit into this 'natural' scheme which we (and you I might add)
must serve at the risk of defiling your idea of a 'natural pyramid'?
How is this NOT socialism? How is it that use of public money (socialism)
is a horror unless it is to save the asses of your tip-tops?
If you see a income bracket as naturally superior and so you as being
naturally inferior, ok but this is your own view. Do not try an 'we' and
'us' it.
> while undermining the very things [at the top] that allow us our
> greatest humanity.
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 8, 2008 05:51
"ZerkonX" X.net> wrote in message news:pan.2008.08.08.12.12.18@X.net...
> On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:22:03 -0400, tooly wrote:
>
>> In fact, the solutions will probably come from that eschelon of human
>> activity atop the pryamids...the one where egalitarians would otherwise
>> 'starve' to redistribute their bounties to those near or at the bottom
>> of the pyramids to bring about a less disparate spectrum of human
>> condition.
>
> "Their bounties', please!
>
> Are you so unaware of what the REAL WORLD situation is? The activities of
> the 'top eschelon', as you call them, are looting the oh so lessers in
> this pyramid of yours. How does Enron and this whole sub-prime credit
> situation fit into this 'natural' scheme which we (and you I might add)
> must serve at the risk of defiling your idea of a 'natural pyramid'?
> How is this NOT socialism? How is it that use of public money (socialism)
> is a horror unless it is to save the asses of your tip-tops?
>
> If you see a income bracket as naturally superior and so you as being ...
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Author: 1Z1Z Date: Aug 8, 2008 06:21
On 8 Aug, 13:51, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I was just watching an interesting 101 science program about the 100
> Greatest Discoveries in chemistry. As one peruses all the people who made
> these discoveries, they would find that these people, as a rule, did not
> come from the underclasses, but were, by and large, people of privilege [in
> relative comparison].
Because they had the leisure to pursue it as a hobby in the days
before government-funded
research,
> They would arguably be top pyramid dwellers. They may have been talented to
> gain that privilege...but that is my point...that creme rises to the top;
> the best of what we are will exist there at the top as a rule [and there are
> always exceptions to any rule of course].
>
> Egalitarianism would tend to want to catcall such 'privileged class' as
> elitist...and work to tear it down, so that the underclasses [whomever or
> however they are...essentially the common worker] have more of the economic
> pie.
Some of us egalistarians believe in levelling *up*.
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Author: Langevinger66Langevinger66 Date: Aug 8, 2008 11:30
On 8 aug, 15:21, 1Z yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 8 Aug, 13:51, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> I was just watching an interesting 101 science program about the 100
>> Greatest Discoveries in chemistry. As one peruses all the people who made
>> these discoveries, they would find that these people, as a rule, did not
>> come from the underclasses, but were, by and large, people of privilege [in
>> relative comparison].
>
> Because they had the leisure to pursue it as a hobby in the days
> before government-funded
> research,
>
>> They would arguably be top pyramid dwellers. They may have been talented to
>> gain that privilege...but that is my point...that creme rises to the top;
>> the best of what we are will exist there at the top as a rule [and there are
>> always exceptions to any rule of course].
>
>> Egalitarianism would tend to want to catcall such 'privileged class' as
>> elitist...and work to tear it down, so that the underclasses [whomever or ...
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