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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jun 22, 2008 00:37
Due to being non-Abrahamic in its outlook and historically prior to
the Incarnation, Stoicism was naturally regarded by the Fathers of the
Church as 'pagan philosophy' (as was Plato). [citation needed]
Nonetheless, some of the central philosophical concepts of Stoicism
were employed by the early Christian writers. Examples include the
terms "logos", "virtue", "Spirit", and "conscience".[17] But the
parallels go well beyond the sharing (or borrowing) of terminology.
Both Stoicism and Christianity assert an inner freedom in the face of
the external world, a belief in human kinship with Nature (or God),
and a sense of the innate depravity—or "persistent evil"—of humankind.
[17] Both encourage askesis with respect to the passions and inferior
emotions (viz. lust, envy and anger) so that the higher possibilities
of one's humanity can be awakened and developed. The major difference
between the two philosophies is Stoicism's pantheism where God is
never fully transcendent but always immanent. God as the world-
creating entity is personalised in Christian thought but Stoicism
equates God with the totality of the universe. Also, Stoicism, unlike
Christianity, posits no beginning or end to the universe, and no
continued individual existence beyond death.[17] Even so, Stoic
writings such as the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius have been highly ...
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Author: C3C3 Date: Jun 22, 2008 20:41
On Jun 22, 12:37 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> Due to being non-Abrahamic in its outlook and historically prior to
> the Incarnation, Stoicism was naturally regarded by the Fathers of the
> Church as 'pagan philosophy' (as was Plato). [citation needed]
> Nonetheless, some of the central philosophical concepts of Stoicism
> were employed by the early Christian writers. Examples include the
> terms "logos", "virtue", "Spirit", and "conscience".[17] But the
> parallels go well beyond the sharing (or borrowing) of terminology.
> Both Stoicism and Christianity assert an inner freedom in the face of
> the external world, a belief in human kinship with Nature (or God),
> and a sense of the innate depravity—or "persistent evil"—of humankind.
> [17] Both encourage askesis with respect to the passions and inferior
> emotions (viz. lust, envy and anger) so that the higher possibilities
> of one's humanity can be awakened and developed. The major difference
> between the two philosophies is Stoicism's pantheism where God is
> never fully transcendent but always immanent. God as the world-
> creating entity is personalised in Christian thought but Stoicism
> equates God with the totality of the universe. Also, Stoicism, unlike
> Christianity, posits no beginning or end to the universe, and no
> continued individual existence beyond death.[17] Even so, Stoic ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jun 22, 2008 20:48
>> God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be
>> changed, courage to change the things that should be changed, and the
>> wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
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>
> Any idea who wrote the Serenity Prayer? Is it Catholic? For some
> reason, that prayer always got on my nerves.
>
> C3
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Author: kevirwinkevirwin Date: Jun 22, 2008 21:02
On Jun 22, 11:48 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:>>> God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be
>>> changed, courage to change the things that should be changed, and the
>>> wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
>
>
>> Any idea who wrote the Serenity Prayer? Is it Catholic? For some
>> reason, that prayer always got on my nerves.
>
>> C3
okay, didn't you have another thread about stoicism w/o the connection
to orgainized religion...You deleted it???
I didn't know you could do that.
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Author: SeanSean Date: Jun 22, 2008 22:05
"kevirwin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 11:48 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:>>> God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be
>>> changed, courage to change the things that should be changed, and the
>>> wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
>
>
>> Any idea who wrote the Serenity Prayer? Is it Catholic? For some
>> reason, that prayer always got on my nerves.
>
>> C3
okay, didn't you have another thread about stoicism w/o the connection
to orgainized religion...You deleted it???
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Author: kevirwinkevirwin Date: Jun 22, 2008 22:21
On Jun 23, 1:05 am, "Sean" bro.org> wrote:> "kevirwin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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> news:3b2f5155-c185-4177-a81e-88dcf8e8ab3b@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 22, 11:48 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
>>>>> God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be
>>>> changed, courage to change the things that should be changed, and the
>>>> wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
>
>
>>> Any idea who wrote the Serenity Prayer? Is it Catholic? For some
>>> reason, that prayer always got on my nerves.
>
>>> C3
>
>> Protestant.
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Author: SeanSean Date: Jun 22, 2008 22:56
"kevirwin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Jun 23, 1:05 am, "Sean" bro.org> wrote:> "kevirwin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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> news:3b2f5155-c185-4177-a81e-88dcf8e8ab3b@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 22, 11:48 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
>>>>> God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be
>>>> changed, courage to change the things that should be changed, and the
>>>> wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
>
>
>>> Any idea who wrote the Serenity Prayer? Is it Catholic? For some
>>> reason, that prayer always got on my nerves.
>
>>> C3
>
>> Protestant. ...
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Author: SeanSean Date: Jun 22, 2008 22:59
PS
It may be more accurate to say that you need to reflect the totality of your
being. as opposed to mind's. Mind can help you to do that, or it can hinder
it if you let it.
i hope that's clearer.
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