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"Andrew Halliwell" ponder.sky.com> wrote in message
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> supermann
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>> hell he's talking about? What does he mean by "ascended"?
> Might I recommend you actually WATCH the show?
> You might begin to have a CLUE then.
I don't think he's made it past the movie. Just as well; imagine all
the
questionable deeds he would find in the show! :-))
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In alt.tv.stargate-sg1 Doug Brown sasktel.net> wrote:
>>>I'd be offended if I found him walking around my home WITH congressional
>>>oversight, but that's irrelevant. Congress has absolutely no power over
>>>me
>>>thankyouverymuch.
> that is incorrect. the people endowed congress with the consent to
> represent.
No we didn't.
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What other use do tactical nukes have other than military purposes?
They make lovely ashtrays. himiko
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> What other use do tactical nukes have other than military purposes?
They make lovely ashtrays.
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On Jun 19, 10:07 pm, "Doug Brown" sasktel.net> wrote:
> I ask you. Should your goverment remove a nuke from the stockpile for
> strictly military purposes and not tell you?
> What other use do tactical nukes have other than military purposes?
Diplomacy, of the "Cuban Missile" type. Maybe I should rephrase
this....
What O'Niel did on Abbydos, *you*, as a taxpayer, weren't supposed
to know.... would you like to have been told?
OK, I'm getting a little beyond myself, here. This is the basic
thing: I have fantasies like the next guy, right? Sometimes I, as do
the rest of us, allow filmakers to manufacture surrogate "fantasies"
for me, in the form of films. For the most part, the makers of these
films or stories, are regular people just like you and me....and tend
to have a simular moral/ ethical bearing when they are designing
their
characters for casting.
All the heroes I have ever seen in movies tend to be like me in
the
sense that their concept of good and evil is close enough to my own
that I tend to extend a "pass" on those "good guys", even when they
stretch the rules a bit...(how far they can stretch those rules
usually depends on how bad the "bad guy" is.)
Now where I come from, what constitute a "bad guy" is an individual
who pre-emptively does bad things to people and/ or is defined as
"bad" by the sum results of deeds committed against the innocent.
That
is to say, if the "hero" was to take action against an individual,
using violence, the observing audience- (this is theater-) has to be
reassured that the targeted individual has demonstrated that not only
he is the "bad guy", but that the particulate "good guy" has every
right to kung fu kick the shit out of him on the behalf of the
observing audience -(this is now the jury box; "good and evil" is
being judiciated.)
As I said a minute ago, we all supposed to share a common moral
standard...when we sit down and watch a film...or work behind the
camera to make one.
To be honest, I don't know where I came up with that crap....the
honest truth....people are as morally and ethically diverse as the
diversity of fishes in a hotel lobby aquarium. There are good people,
doing good things...and there are individuals, totally laquered in
evil. Good people find strength and fellowship in like-minded
company....evil folks, much to my chagrin, do the same.
To keep this short...I did not enjoy Stargate. This film, unlike
others, weren't tailored to my particular moral bearing, nor to the
best of my reckoning, to even that of anyone I even know. I could not
identify myself with the actor designated as "hero"...he didn't even
act like a hero...he looked and acted like a cheap fascist cutthroat.
Totally beyond the scope of the law. I do not have fantasies where I
envision commiting human rights abuses against non-combatant children
in order to exercise my passions toward "heroic acts" against an
enemy
who fought defensively against O'Niel's incursion into his territory
of residence.
How is this possible? I'm Black. An african-american, you see. I am
also a part-time school bus driver in an african- american
neighborhood. That means that, 99 cents to a dollar, I have more in
common, culturally and racially, with the kids that O'Niel had either
a weapon pointed at, or illegally issued a weapon to, than I could
ever muster for O'Niel himself. I cart those exact same tykes back
and
forth to school each day. It would not even occur to me that there
are
human beings in this world who would do the the things to them for
material or political gain that Kurt Russell simulated doing to them
for simple entertainment.
I am the descendant of africans whose continent was over-run by
Col. Jack O'Niells, by the boatloads, over the pass three
centuries....so what I saw in Stargate came as little ontological
surprise to me. Sometimes an animal can't help but reveal itself.
I fight evil where I find it. I found enough here to outline and
define an illegal war....*any* illegal war.
So I ask you again, "What did O'Niel do on Abbydos that you
consider "legal"?
