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> On Apr 29, 5:09 am, "Don H" bigpond.com> wrote:>> "brian fletcher"
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>>>>> Spiritual masters tell us "you have to transcend the mind (matter
>>> energy
> ,
>>> time and space), to find reality", the cosmologists argue that
> information
>>> cannot enter a 'black hole" because information cannot be destroyed.
>>
>>> The information paradox sums this up beautifully, from the 'masters"
> pov.
>>
>>> They tell us that to enter the "eternal plane", is to realize a state
>>> of
>>> consciousness, whereas the cosmologists need more time to reslove the
>>> paradox!
>>
>>> Hawking has resolved this, but cannot prove it, while his
> contemporatries
>>> are still knocking at the door.
>>
>>> He "lost favour" when many black holes were discovered.
>>
>>> I suspect we each 'resonate' around our own 'black hole'. It was
>> interesting
>>> to hear one of the leading cosmologists recently speculate that there
> may
>>> well be black holes within the brain structure.
>>
>>> Again, masters have always told us, "reality is within".
>>
>>> BOfL
>>
>> # I call "spirituality" the phlogiston theory of religion - plausible,
>> but
>> false. Again we need to go back to the origin of words, and "spirit"
>> relates to "breath" (re-spire, ex-pire) and the "last breath" leaving the
>> body was deemed to be the spirit/soul departing for another world, not
>> the
>> lungs exhaling their last amount of carbon dioxide.
>> There is no evidence of any soul or spirit, as such, in the human body.
>> What we now call spirituality may be a type of "refined emotion", but it
> is
>> nothing more.
>> "God is a spirit" is to further elaborate on an already pseudo-theory.
>> Most religionists, while they may have secrets doubts about the existence
> of
>> God and how to communicate with Him, tend to keep such doubts to
> themselves,
>> in the good old Emperor's New Clothes tradition.
>> Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the inventor of detective Sherlock Holmes (via
>> Dr.J. Bell), spent the last years of his life trying futilely trying to
>> contact "the spirit world". A little study of etymology and history might
>> have saved him from wasting his time.
>> So, folks, while a crass Materialism may be "reductionism", it is,
>> basically, what we are left with. The World of the Mind is where the
>> loonies live, so beware! - but that is because they have cut themselves
> off
>> from external reality. A monk in a monastery is thus insane?- Hide quoted
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> Your comment , boiled down, says "if I dont know, nobody does, because
> it is not knowable"
>
> A couple of obvious flaws. To attempt to validate your pov, you refer
> to the origin of words, and then put a localised interpretation of the
> word breath. You refer to God as "he", and then cross reference to a
> well known historical auther.
>
> You are actually displaying an interesting paradox.
>
> You say there is nothing more to this than your view. You know that
> others experiences are not valid.
>
> BOfL
>
> # All experience may be valid to the person concerned. It is only when
> trying to convince others that some commonly-acceptable proof is needed.
> God may be a Spirit, and a person may claim he/she has experienced a
> conversion to Faith, accordingly. OK, but such person has the problem of
> converting others - and this is where the paradox arises. He can't,
> unless
> there is a common experience which is provable in some evidential manner.
> A
> group, all believing in spiritual enlightenment, may be suffering a joint
> delusion - unless they can provide a proof to a newcomer.
> Billions of people around the world believe in God, Yahweh, Allah, or
> whatever other name monotheism goes by. But none of them can prove their
> deity exists - not in any scientifically testable way. They believe
> because
> they have been taught, since birth, to believe.
> All Other Animals only believe the evidence of their senses. Only
> Humans,
> with their enlarged cerebral cortex, believe in things for which there is
> no
> evidence. That is why I dub us - the Mad Ape.
> Define your god or God, then provide proof he exists.
>
Firstly, I agree with most have what you have said, in fact my definition of
belief is the same as yours. You referred to spirituality as false, but your
elaboration above has expanded on that pov.
It is only when ones receptivity to the possibility of 'knowing', that proof
beyond belief can be recognized.
Often, in various dialogues with "masters" (ok...you dont bnelieve there are
such people...however)....the student will be asked "what do you know"?
If the answers is "nothing" the master will likely say "come back here when
you do".
I could explain what that means, but I refer back to my second sentence.
If the student wasnt at leastreceptive, then he wouldnt have even met such a
master.
Belief plays an essential role. Our scientific progress is all based on
beliefs. If it wasnt Einstein's belief that he could relate energy mass and
accelleation within an elegant formula, he wouldnt have.
I believe I know, and I know I believe.The 'crossover' of two different
planes of existance.
BOfL
