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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: admanadman Date: Apr 16, 2008 14:31
gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f1e3f80-0e7e-419c-864d-e4030a3a7656@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
What a fascinating post. But of course the atheist will scoff, choke, and
ridicule.
|A rather extraordinary class of scientific evidence for the existence
| of God, is the difference between attributes of substances or objects
| which in past were called "holy", and attributes of other similar
| substances or objects which were NOT considered to be holy. For
| example, let us consider attributes of such "holy" substances and
| objects, as: (1) "daily bread" (by the Christian religion considered
| to be a representation of the body of Christ), (2) "coconuts", (3)
| "drinking water" (by first Christians used for christening, while by
| pagans utilised in water dowsing), (4) "red wine" (considered to
| represent the blood of Jesus). If one compares their attributes with
| attributes of other very similar substances or objects, e.g. with
| attributes of: (1n) white bread or buns, (2n) fruits of tropical
| durian, (3n) undrinkable water, (4n) white wine, then outcomes of this
| comparison become very meaningful. Namely, it then turns out that
| everything that in past was described as "holy" actually displays
| attributes which are beneficial to people at many levels, and which do
| NOT introduce any side effects. In turn everything that was NOT
| considered holy shows also various attributes that are undesirable for
| humans - in spite that in almost every aspect it is similar to a
| related holy substance or object. For example, in spite that the
| "daily bread" and the "white bread" are baked in a similar manner and
| from almost the same flour, differences between their consequences for
| health of people are huge. Similarly, in spite that "red wine" and
| "white wine" are produced through the same process from almost the
| same grapes which grew on exactly the same soil, their influences onto
| drinking people are very different. In fact these differences in
| attributes of whatever in past (and sometimes also today) was called
| "holy", from attributes of whatever is NOT considered to be holy,
| cannot be justify exclusively with the use of findings and knowledge
| of present "atheistic" science. So let us now provide here several
| most meaningful examples of extraordinary attributes of something that
| in past was considered to be "holy". In order to shorten the
| discussion, below is analysed only a single attribute which does NOT
| appear in similar substances and objects that are NOT considered to be
| holy. But independently from the attribute discussed below, each
| substance and object mentioned below displays also a whole range of
| further extraordinary attributes which are very difficult to justify
| by present atheistic science. So here are these examples:
|
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| (1) Irreplaceable attributes of the holy "daily bread". As we know the
| humanity invented a large variety of dishes which are made of flour.
| To such dishes belong: buns, cakes, pancakes, macaroons, dumplings,
| etc., etc. But only the so-called "daily bread" was considered in past
| to be holy. This "daily bread" used to be wholegrain bread, baked from
| the unsifted wholemeal rye flour. The dough for this bread was
| fermented before baking in a similar manner like until present time
| are fermented the Japanese "miso" and Korean "kimchi" (for
| descriptions of Korean "kim-chi" - see item #B1 from the web page
| "korea.htm" - about the mysterious, fascinating, moral, and
| progressive Korea). In the result of this fermentation, the daily
| bread become black like the soil from which it grew, and thus
| considered to be "too common" for wealthy people. Only this bread in
| old times was treated with the highest respect and worshiped as holy.
| White bread, buns, cakes, and other products made of flour, were NOT
| considered to be "holy". In fact I still remember until today from
| Poland of the times of my childhood, means Poland of 1950s, such
| manifestations of the respect to "daily bread" which were still
| practiced then. For example, at that time people used to say sorry to,
| and to kiss, a slice of bread when they accidentally allowed it to
| fall to the floor. Old-timers never threw away to rubbish even
| smallest crumbs of bread. Furthermore, to express their respect to
| this bread, men used to take hats off their heads for the duration of
| eating - even in most cold days. As present people discovered this,
| the formerly "holy" daily bread in fact displays attributes that
| deserve the holiness. For example, eating this bread in any quantities
| does NOT bring any undesirable consequences to the human health. (On
| the other hand eating large amounts of any other products made from
| flour turns out to be unhealthy.) Furthermore, people can survive by
| eating exclusively this holy "daily bread", while they cannot survive
| by eating exclusively any other dish made of flour.
|
|
| (2) The fact that coconuts never fall on heads of people, in spite
| that in light of statistics there should be cases of falling coconuts
| hitting some people in heads. As I explained this on a separate web
| page "fruit.htm" - about tropical fruits from the area of Pacific, "in
| many tropical countries coconut palms are considered to be 'holy
| trees'" which were designed especially by God to satisfy all basic
| needs of people. (Notice that the holiness of coconuts is recognised
| in there in a similar manner as in old Europe the holiness of "daily
| bread" was practiced.) The holiness of coconut palms proves itself
| because e.g. on small oceanic islands, on which is NOT growing
| anything else apart from this palm, in fact coconut palms are
| providers of everything. In some religions, e.g. Hinduism, gods
| receive gifts from coconuts. The Bible says that palm branches were
| placed in front of walking Jesus. This holiness of coconut palms is
| there also a source of the deep belief which prevails in countries in
| which coconuts grow, namely that in order to NOT harm people heavy
| "coconuts never fall onto heads of humans". Actually in many tropical
| countries, e.g. in Malaysia, locals are saying that "coconut palms
| have eyes" - thus they never drop a coconut on heads of humans. I
| personally was very intrigued by this belief. So whenever I had an
| opportunity to visit an area where coconut palms grow, I always asked
| locals whether they know a case that a coconut fell on someone's head.
| I must confirm here, that in spite of my wide and many years long
| asking "I never encountered a case that someone knew someone else on
| the head of whom a coconut fell". Such a case would be quite well-
| known, because the large weight of coconuts combined with the
| significant height of coconut palms, would cause that the fell of a
| coconut on someone's head would kill such unfortunate person. Of
| course, this lack of cases when coconuts fall on human heads is
| something extraordinary and it should be explained by the "holiness"
| of the palm. After all, other (non-holy) trees drop their fruits
| completely at random, in this on human heads. I myself remember a case
| when a falling apple hit me in the head - fortunately was ripe and
| soft. In Malaysia grows a tasty fruit which just has a size of
| coconuts - it is called "durian". It is commonly known there, that at
| the time of durians' ripening, people should either keep far from
| these trees, or wear protective "hard hats". This is because heavy
| durian fruits fall "at random", including onto human heads. So it is
| nothing unusual to hear over there about cases of people getting hit
| by durian fruits.
|
| Regrettably, someone clearly could NOT stand this extraordinary
| attribute of "holy palms" and decided to include also the holy
| coconuts into the "scientific atheism". Namely, that someone started
| to spread on the behalf of science the untrue claims that supposedly
| in the world every year dies from falling coconuts as much as 150
| people. These claims make falling coconuts hypothetically even more
| dangerous than attacks of sharks. Such false claims were disseminated
| in so organised manner, that on their base various insurance companies
| started to develop their "coconut policies". Fortunately for the
| truth, some scientists decided to get to the bottom of the "research"
| on which the coconut deaths claims were based. Outcomes of their
| research were summarised later, amongst others, in the article "Lies,
| damn lies, and 150 coconut deaths" from page B9 of the New Zealand
| newspaper named "Weekend Herald", issue dated on Saturday, April 12,
| 2008. Searches of these scientists revealed, that the claims were made
| up in Australia in 2002. Only then were disseminated all over the
| world by an article in Daily Telegraph. At the beginning these claims
| referred to the publication of a Canadian professor, in which there
| was NO quantitative data on this subject, while the professor himself
| denied that he ever accumulated such quantitative data. Thus, in spite
| of the lies spread on this subject under a smoke screen of the
| official science, in fact coconuts never fall down on heads of people.
|
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| (3) The holy river Ganges in India belongs to the most biologically
| polluted rivers of the world. But Hindu devotes drink water directly
| from the river. In spite of this, Hindu who believe in holiness of
| this river never report an illness acquired by drinking biologically
| polluted water of this river.
|
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| (3) All 12 Apostles drank wine from the same cup. But the Bible does
| NOT report that any Apostle acquired an illness passed around due to
| this drinking of all of them from the same cup.
|
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| The described above documentation for the existence of extraordinary
| attributes (which cannot be justified nor explained on the basis of
| atheistic science) in all substances and objects acknowledged as
| "holy", was adopted from item #F2 from the web page named "bible.htm",
| update of 14 April 2008, or later. In turn descriptions and legends
| concerning coconuts and fruits of durian discussed above are presented
| in items #1 and #4 from the totaliztic web page "fruit.htm" about
| tropical fruits from the area of Pacific, update of 15 April 2008, or
| later. The web page "fruit.htm" should be available from following
| addresses ?if it was not sabotaged there by evil powers that recently
| rampage in the internet and all over the Earth (probably these evil
| powers are also responsible for organising the lies about 150 deaths
| per year from coconuts):
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| http://bible.webng.com/fruit.htm
| http://energy.atspace.org/fruit.htm
| http://evidence.ueuo.com/fruit.htm
| http://evil.thefreehost.biz/fruit.htm
| http://fruit.sitesled.com/fruit.htm
| http://fruit.xphost.org/fruit.htm
| http://god.ez-sites.ws/fruit.htm
| http://karma.freewebpages.org/fruit.htm
| http://memorial.awardspace.info/fruit.htm
| http://newzealand.myfreewebs.net/fruit.htm
| http://nirvana.scienceontheweb.net/fruit.htm
| http://pigs.freehyperspace.com/fruit.htm
| http://parasitism.about.tc/fruit.htm
| http://parasitism.xphost.org/fruit.htm
| http://rubik.hits.io/fruit.htm
| http://tornado.99k.org/fruit.htm
| http://wszewilki.greatnow.com/fruit.htm
|
| It is also worth to know that under each address indicated above ALL
| the web pages of totalizm should be available (unless some of these
| web pages were sabotaged in the meantime). Thus, if someone wishes to
| view descriptions from any other web page of totalizm, e.g. from a web
| page listed in this message, or listed in other totaliztic messages,
| then in the above addresses the name "fruit.htm" is just enough to
| exchange for a name of the web page that he or she wishes to view,
| e.g. for the name of web page "boiler.htm", "free_energy.htm",
| "wszewilki_jutra_uk.htm", "newzealand.htm", "free_energy.htm",
| "fe_cell.htm", "malbork_uk.htm", "evolution.htm", "god.htm",
| "bible.htm", "text_1_5.htm", "dipolar_gravity.htm", "nirvana.htm",
| "evil.htm", "memorial.htm", etc., etc.
|
| Topics related to matters discussed here are also presented on blogs
| of totalizm which can be visited at addresses:
| http://www.getablog.net/totalizm
| http://totalizm.wordpress.com
| http://totalizm.myblog.net
| http://www.newfreehost.com/weblog/?u=god
|
| Wi the totaliztic salute,
| Jan Pajak
|
| Motto: "Everything that is recognised to be 'holy' displays various
| attributes which just cannot be explained on basis of atheistic
| science."
|
| P.S. The subject of the scientific "evidence for the existence of God"
| described here, as well as other subjects related to it, is already
| being discussed on various Google discussion groups. For example:
|
| (1) The discussion of the absolute lack of scientific evidence for the
| non-existence of God is carried out at the internet addresses:
|
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/20892864b7f7690e...#bbdc5b3dc1aed298
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| (2) The discussion of the biological evidence for the existence of
| God, is carried out at addresses:
|
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/browse_thread/thread/8040cef26d37261...#de22942cb8fe3aee
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| (3) The discussion of the physical evidence for the existence of God
| is carried out at the internet addresses:
|
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/0b85905d2dc9f083#c374dc041f3c5fdf
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