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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Oct 14, 2007 18:18
Ever considered how hollow the word 'sorry' is, whether given or received?
Sorry I 'ran over your cat, cheated on you, lost my temper and attacked you,
or in an Aussie context ,"sorry" to the Aborigines.
In the last example, the 'elders' have constantly lobbied the prime minister
to say "sorry", and he has always refused. My understanding is that an
apology would be an admittance of guilt and would lead to potential massive
compensation claim. If that happened he would be extremely sorry!!!.
Sorry could easily fit into the popular 'time' debate here on alt.phil. It
ultimately means (from the genuinely remorseful), I wish it had never
happened.
When one achieves a particular state of consciousness, there is an
appreciation that there are no mistakes, and that every event that has
happened to you or as a result of your actions, had a real purpose.
Back to the "time" aspect. The recipient of the 'bad' treatment is often
counseled to "forgive", not necessarily for the benefit of the instigator,
but as part of the healing of the recipient.
Often people say "I can forgive but not forget".So where's the value and
meaning in that stance?
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Author: SeanSean Date: Oct 14, 2007 20:01
You're a hard man Mr Fletcher! :)
I'll throw this at you for consideration [ i know considerations aren't
worth considering hehehehe but ] the path some choose to follow entails true
forgiveness for all any "perceived" harm done to one, be it from a parent,
spouse, warring party or even God. Thru that process one may infact learn
the healing power that there was in fact nothing to forgive .... as per your
detailed quality info below .... I say therefore, horses for courses, and
all that jazz.
Maybe even, all roads lead to Rome, or to love is human, to forgive divine.
"brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:HdzQi.781$cR5.708@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> Ever considered how hollow the word 'sorry' is, whether given or received?
>
> Sorry...
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Author: SeanSean Date: Oct 14, 2007 20:17
> Ever considered how hollow the word 'sorry' is, whether given or received?
>
> Sorry I 'ran over your cat, cheated on you, lost my temper and attacked
> you, or in an Aussie context ,"sorry" to the Aborigines.
>
> In the last example, the 'elders' have constantly lobbied the prime
> minister to say "sorry", and he has always refused. My understanding is
> that an apology would be an admittance of guilt and would lead to
> potential massive compensation claim. If that happened he would be
> extremely sorry!!!.
>
PS Sorry, hehehehe, I forgot to mention something here ....;-)
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Oct 14, 2007 20:38
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:18:31 GMT, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Ever considered how hollow the word 'sorry' is, whether given or received?
>
>Sorry I 'ran over your cat, cheated on you, lost my temper and attacked you,
>or in an Aussie context ,"sorry" to the Aborigines...
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Author: SeanSean Date: Oct 14, 2007 20:43
How's this for a co-incidence Brian?
"Coping strategy suggestion: We should all say "sorry" to whomsoever we need
to apologise to, forgive anyone who asks, and then? Life should flow a lot
more smoothly from here on in (at least for a while...) "
I saw this on a site soon after replying to you. hehehehe
How's that for creativity and easily finding positive re-inforcement of
one's beliefs?
and I'd say : Love is ...... always being able to say you're sorry.
"Sean" blah.com.au> wrote in message
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> "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:HdzQi.781$cR5.708@news-server...
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Author: BernardZBernardZ Date: Oct 15, 2007 03:30
In article news-server.bigpond.net.au>, brianf88
@bigpond.net.au says...> Sorry I 'ran over your cat, cheated on you, lost my temper and attacked you,
> or in an Aussie context ,"sorry" to the Aborigines.
>
In the Aussie context think how much money it will cost the Australian
community if we say we are sorry.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Oct 15, 2007 18:35
On Oct 14, 6:18 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:> Ever considered how hollow the word 'sorry' is, whether given or received?
>
> Sorry I 'ran over your cat, cheated on you, lost my temper and attacked you,
> or in an Aussie context ,"sorry" to the Aborigines.
>
> In the last example, the 'elders' have constantly lobbied the prime minister
> to say "sorry", and he has always refused. My understanding is that an
> apology would be an admittance of guilt and would lead to potential massive
> compensation claim. If that happened he would be extremely sorry!!!.
>
> Sorry could easily fit into the popular 'time' debate here on alt.phil. It
> ultimately means (from the genuinely remorseful), I wish it had never
> happened.
>
> When one achieves a particular state of consciousness, there is an
> appreciation that there are no mistakes, and that every event that has
> happened to you or as a result of your actions, had a real purpose.
>
> Back to the "time" aspect. The recipient of the 'bad' treatment is often ...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Oct 16, 2007 05:04
> On Oct 14, 6:18 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>> Ever considered how hollow the word 'sorry' is, whether given or
>> received?
>>
>> Sorry I 'ran over your cat, cheated on you, lost my temper and attacked
>> you,
>> or in an Aussie context ,"sorry" to the Aborigines.
>>
>> In the last example, the 'elders' have constantly lobbied the prime
>> minister
>> to say "sorry", and he has always refused. My understanding is that an
>> apology would be an admittance of guilt and would lead to potential
>> massive
>> compensation claim. If that happened he would be extremely sorry!!!.
>>
>> Sorry could easily fit into the popular 'time' debate here on alt.phil.
>> It
>> ultimately means (from the genuinely remorseful), I wish it had never ...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Oct 16, 2007 05:09
> You're a hard man Mr Fletcher! :)
I scare myself sometimes ..hehehehe
>
> I'll throw this at you for consideration [ i know considerations aren't
> worth considering hehehehe but ] the path some choose to follow entails
> true forgiveness for all any "perceived" harm done to one, be it from a
> parent, spouse, warring party or even God.
I see that stage as a step towards realization that every experience was
essential (and created by the participents).
> Thru that process one may infact learn the healing power that there was in
> fact nothing to forgive .... as per your detailed quality info below ....
> I say therefore, horses for courses, and all that jazz.
I always think of Lois Armstrong when I see that ref :-)
>
> Maybe even, all roads lead to Rome, or to love is human, to forgive
> divine.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Oct 16, 2007 05:17
> How's this for a co-incidence Brian?
>
> "Coping strategy suggestion: We should all say "sorry" to whomsoever we
> need to apologise to, forgive anyone who asks, and then? Life should flow
> a lot more smoothly from here on in (at least for a while...) "
>
> I saw this on a site soon after replying to you. hehehehe
Isnt life just wonderful !!!
>
> How's that for creativity and easily finding positive re-inforcement of
> one's beliefs?
"I Thought Love Was Only True In Fairy Tales"
Now I'm a Believer (not)...just kidding ;-)
>
> and I'd say : Love is ...... always being able to say you're sorry.
Well I'm sorry, but I'm just not sorry. (Basil Fawlty didnt think of that
line hehehe)...
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